The Talk N Text walkout
Last night, I decided to go out with friends instead of staying home to watch PBA action. I figured, “Hey, it’s just one night, what could possibly happen?”
Well, shit happened.
I turned to the replay of the Talk N Text walkout on BTV as I stumbled into my house past midnight, with the team already in the dugout. I read updates on Twitter over what happened, and, had an angry, drunken rant on Twitter about the issue.
I still feel the same way right now, even after the effects of alcohol had worn off. I am so tired of the Philippine basketball culture of whining about bad calls and bad referees, the persecution complex, and the incessant need to play the victim card.
Rain or Shine assistant coach Richard del Rosario tweeting about how the referees suck his team’s series versus Purefoods. Smart Gilas crying like babies about their whole PBA stint. San Miguel Corporation pulling out its advertisements from the 2008 PBA Philippine Cup finals after James Yap was suspended, and stupid Purefoods fans crying conspiracy against the team. UAAP teams filing every close game under protest. SBP executive director Noli Eala calling up PBL commissioner Chino Trinidad to suggest “fairer” officiating against San Beda during the 2008 NCAA finals. I could go on and on.
This walkout takes the cake. Chot Reyes pulled a total dick move by ordering the walkout—and, as a lifelong Purefoods fan, I’ve seen my fair share of dick moves from Chot Reyes—and Talk N Text management’s decision to condone it showed the organization’s total lack of class. I don’t care how bad the officiating was, this move was one big “FUCK YOU!” to the PBA, to all its other teams, and to all its fans. Seriously, do you have any idea how hard it is to get a lower-level ticket to a Ginebra game if you’re not connected to any PBA team playing that night?
I submit that the officiating might have been terrible. The foul that led to Ranidel de Ocampo getting thrown out might not have merited the flagrant foul penalty 2. The boys at Patay ang Butiki seem to think that Talk N Text might have a case against the officiating. Reyes himself cites the free throw disparity between the two teams for the whole series.
(I’m not a fan of using this metric to prove bias in officiating. It just proves that Ginebra shot more foul shots – nothing more. Now, if Talk N Text really wanted to prove that calls have been going against them, they could review the game and come up with a call-by-call analysis, similar to the ones done by 82games.com on controversial NBA games like Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals between Dallas and Miami, and Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference finals between the Lakers and the Kings. Otherwise, the free throw disparity would be just another empty statistic.)
Even then, if the Talk N Text organization really wanted to improve officiating, there are more effective ways it could have been done. With its influence on the PBA board, it could push for reforms in the officiating system, call for more transparency, and even move for the termination of officials that they accuse of bias. The PhP500,000 fine that they would pay for walking out could have been used to document issues that they have with the officiating, and they could even do stuff like statistical models and regression analysis to support their position. They could have done themselves, the PBA, and the Philippine basketball community a really huge favor.
Instead, they chose to walk out and screw the public out of a good game. Their subsequent statement about the officiating is a gun held to the head of the rest of the PBA, carrying with it the implication that if they lose, they got screwed by the officiating. You see, this walk-out doesn’t prove that Talk N Text is against biased officiating per se, just that Talk N Text is against biased officiating against the team.
Well, shit happened.
I turned to the replay of the Talk N Text walkout on BTV as I stumbled into my house past midnight, with the team already in the dugout. I read updates on Twitter over what happened, and, had an angry, drunken rant on Twitter about the issue.
I still feel the same way right now, even after the effects of alcohol had worn off. I am so tired of the Philippine basketball culture of whining about bad calls and bad referees, the persecution complex, and the incessant need to play the victim card.
Rain or Shine assistant coach Richard del Rosario tweeting about how the referees suck his team’s series versus Purefoods. Smart Gilas crying like babies about their whole PBA stint. San Miguel Corporation pulling out its advertisements from the 2008 PBA Philippine Cup finals after James Yap was suspended, and stupid Purefoods fans crying conspiracy against the team. UAAP teams filing every close game under protest. SBP executive director Noli Eala calling up PBL commissioner Chino Trinidad to suggest “fairer” officiating against San Beda during the 2008 NCAA finals. I could go on and on.
This walkout takes the cake. Chot Reyes pulled a total dick move by ordering the walkout—and, as a lifelong Purefoods fan, I’ve seen my fair share of dick moves from Chot Reyes—and Talk N Text management’s decision to condone it showed the organization’s total lack of class. I don’t care how bad the officiating was, this move was one big “FUCK YOU!” to the PBA, to all its other teams, and to all its fans. Seriously, do you have any idea how hard it is to get a lower-level ticket to a Ginebra game if you’re not connected to any PBA team playing that night?
I submit that the officiating might have been terrible. The foul that led to Ranidel de Ocampo getting thrown out might not have merited the flagrant foul penalty 2. The boys at Patay ang Butiki seem to think that Talk N Text might have a case against the officiating. Reyes himself cites the free throw disparity between the two teams for the whole series.
(I’m not a fan of using this metric to prove bias in officiating. It just proves that Ginebra shot more foul shots – nothing more. Now, if Talk N Text really wanted to prove that calls have been going against them, they could review the game and come up with a call-by-call analysis, similar to the ones done by 82games.com on controversial NBA games like Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals between Dallas and Miami, and Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference finals between the Lakers and the Kings. Otherwise, the free throw disparity would be just another empty statistic.)
Even then, if the Talk N Text organization really wanted to improve officiating, there are more effective ways it could have been done. With its influence on the PBA board, it could push for reforms in the officiating system, call for more transparency, and even move for the termination of officials that they accuse of bias. The PhP500,000 fine that they would pay for walking out could have been used to document issues that they have with the officiating, and they could even do stuff like statistical models and regression analysis to support their position. They could have done themselves, the PBA, and the Philippine basketball community a really huge favor.
Instead, they chose to walk out and screw the public out of a good game. Their subsequent statement about the officiating is a gun held to the head of the rest of the PBA, carrying with it the implication that if they lose, they got screwed by the officiating. You see, this walk-out doesn’t prove that Talk N Text is against biased officiating per se, just that Talk N Text is against biased officiating against the team.
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on February 6, 2010 at
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Tags: Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings, Basketball, NCAA, Noli Eala, Philippine Basketball Association, Purefoods Tender Juicy Giants, Rain or Shine Elastopainters, San Beda Red Lions, Talk N Text Tropang Texters, UAAP
Tags: Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings, Basketball, NCAA, Noli Eala, Philippine Basketball Association, Purefoods Tender Juicy Giants, Rain or Shine Elastopainters, San Beda Red Lions, Talk N Text Tropang Texters, UAAP
“Poging Baste, Haba...”: San Sebastian dethrones San Beda
The worst moment of my basketball fandom came in September 1994, in an NCAA championship game at the oven-hot Rizal Memorial Coliseum. I was in sixth grade then, and I was with my classmates rooting for the Letran Knights, who were defending their championship against their arch-enemy San Sebastian Stags. We went there expecting to win like we did the year before, but Baste started to pull away late in the 4th quarter behind the exploits of their high-flying swingmen, (the overage) Jesse Bardaje and Rodney Santos.
Watching your team lose was bad enough, but it was what happened after that really made it bad. With the game out of reach, the San Sebastian crowd decided to collectively, sarcastically, start rooting for Letran. Those fuckers just wanted to rub it in, so they started chanting “Go, Letran! Go, go Letran!” and cheering whenever the Knights made a meaningless basket.
It was just absolute, utter pwnage, and the worst thing was that we couldn’t do anything about it. When the Baste gallery started up their trademark “Poging Baste...” song (the single greatest pep song in the world), the Letran crowd couldn’t even muster up enough energy for our Palibhasa Letran. Over the years, I’ve developed a grudging admiration for that old Baste crowd, the baddest enemy crowd I’d ever faced.
I don’t know if there was a similar scene during San Sebastian’s clinching victory over defending champions San Beda last Saturday, but Baste’s pwnage of the rest of the league this season certainly merited sarcastic cheers from their gallery. Except for a funk late in the eliminations and the first game of their final four playoff series, the Stags have been pretty fucking awesome this season.
Frankly, I’m still confounded by the Stags’ championship run. It wasn’t that they won, it was how they won. Cinderella’s have gone all the way in Philippine college basketball before, most recently in 2006 when Pido Jarencio’s UST upset Ateneo. In that season, the Growling Tigers caught fire at the end of the eliminations and rode the hot hands of Jojo Duncil in the finals; they lurked all season long and snared their prey during crunch time.
San Sebastian did nothing of the sort; they dominated the summer leagues, and then they won their first fifteen regular season games in very impressive fashion. Even when they swooned, the players on the court always carried themselves like their losing was a mere aberration. In both games wherein the Red Lions beat them this season, the matches came down to the final possession.
I’m still curious about the Stags, and I don’t know quite what to make of them. I’m looking forward to seeing them next season, with a reasonably intact lineup (their only key loss will be main man Jimbo Aquino, who served out his fifth year). We’ll see if Ato Agustin’s magic works the second time around.
I am as interested about Aquino’s future prospects as a professional basketball player. Will he be Bardaje, the college cult hero who never made it in the big leagues, or will he be Santos, the longtime PBA veteran who’s had a solid run as a vital part of numerous championship teams?
Watching your team lose was bad enough, but it was what happened after that really made it bad. With the game out of reach, the San Sebastian crowd decided to collectively, sarcastically, start rooting for Letran. Those fuckers just wanted to rub it in, so they started chanting “Go, Letran! Go, go Letran!” and cheering whenever the Knights made a meaningless basket.
It was just absolute, utter pwnage, and the worst thing was that we couldn’t do anything about it. When the Baste gallery started up their trademark “Poging Baste...” song (the single greatest pep song in the world), the Letran crowd couldn’t even muster up enough energy for our Palibhasa Letran. Over the years, I’ve developed a grudging admiration for that old Baste crowd, the baddest enemy crowd I’d ever faced.
I don’t know if there was a similar scene during San Sebastian’s clinching victory over defending champions San Beda last Saturday, but Baste’s pwnage of the rest of the league this season certainly merited sarcastic cheers from their gallery. Except for a funk late in the eliminations and the first game of their final four playoff series, the Stags have been pretty fucking awesome this season.
Frankly, I’m still confounded by the Stags’ championship run. It wasn’t that they won, it was how they won. Cinderella’s have gone all the way in Philippine college basketball before, most recently in 2006 when Pido Jarencio’s UST upset Ateneo. In that season, the Growling Tigers caught fire at the end of the eliminations and rode the hot hands of Jojo Duncil in the finals; they lurked all season long and snared their prey during crunch time.
San Sebastian did nothing of the sort; they dominated the summer leagues, and then they won their first fifteen regular season games in very impressive fashion. Even when they swooned, the players on the court always carried themselves like their losing was a mere aberration. In both games wherein the Red Lions beat them this season, the matches came down to the final possession.
I’m still curious about the Stags, and I don’t know quite what to make of them. I’m looking forward to seeing them next season, with a reasonably intact lineup (their only key loss will be main man Jimbo Aquino, who served out his fifth year). We’ll see if Ato Agustin’s magic works the second time around.
I am as interested about Aquino’s future prospects as a professional basketball player. Will he be Bardaje, the college cult hero who never made it in the big leagues, or will he be Santos, the longtime PBA veteran who’s had a solid run as a vital part of numerous championship teams?
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on October 27, 2009 at
17:39
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Tags: Basketball, Letran Knights, NCAA, San Beda Red Lions, San Sebastian Stags
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Ato Agustin, Frankie Lim, and the NCAA Finals
In 1993, the powerhouse defending champions San Miguel faced perennial All-Filipino contenders Coney Island (nee Purefoods) in the finals of that year’s homegrown-only tournament. The Beermen were heavy favorites after making a trade for Allan Caidic in the offseason, reuniting the Triggerman with his former national team buddies, Samboy Lim and Hector Calma. The star-studded San Miguel backcourt was rounded out by the reigning Most Valuable Player in the league, Ato Agustin. The two teams’ matchup was a repeat of the previous year’s finals, a series that was capped by 32 points from Agustin in the deciding seventh game.
Rookie coach Chot Reyes was at the helm of Coney Island, which was making its sixth straight All-Filipino appearance. Everyone knew about the frontcourt of Alvin Patrimonio and Jerry Codinera, but their backcourt wasn’t too shabby either, with Glenn Capacio, Boy Cabahug, and Dindo Pumaren. Curiously, Reyes acquired an eclectic mix of players in the offseason; rookies Dwight Lago, Benny Cheng, Olsen Racela, and Freddie Abuda were drafted to provide hustle and energy, but Reyes also recruited a couple of grizzled veterans: Caidic’s old enforcer from Presto, Abe King, and a rugged guard from Alaska, Frankie Lim.
Lim had been, for many years, the starting point guard for Alaska, but he was let go in the offseason as Tim Cone and the Alaska brain trust decided to overhaul their team’s style and build around rookie point guard Johnny Abarrientos—an amazingly prescient move. Reyes, a longtime Alaska assistant, got Lim to join him with the Purefoods franchise. The veteran guard was there to provide insurance for Pumaren, knock down open three-pointers to take the pressure off his twin towers, and provide the kind of tough, old-school defense on opposing combo guards such as, yep, Ato Agustin.
Coney Island won that battle in 1993, but San Miguel got back at them in the tournament’s 1994 edition. Now, 15 years later, Ato Agustin and Frankie Lim are back facing off against each other in a championship series. Instead of duking it out on the court, Lim’s defending champions San Beda Red Lions are trying to hold off Agustin’s surprising San Sebastian Stags.
NCAA sportscaster Toff Rada, who has watched both teams closely, has some of the best analyses of the protagonists. He details the key weakness of the Stags’ game:
The coaching battle between the old hardcourt warriors is just as interesting. Ato Agustin has emerged as a surprise coaching maven, despite having had no prior high-level coaching experience. Meanwhile, Frankie Lim still has doubters even though he has led his team to two championships. This series, however, figures to be his biggest challenge yet.
Rookie coach Chot Reyes was at the helm of Coney Island, which was making its sixth straight All-Filipino appearance. Everyone knew about the frontcourt of Alvin Patrimonio and Jerry Codinera, but their backcourt wasn’t too shabby either, with Glenn Capacio, Boy Cabahug, and Dindo Pumaren. Curiously, Reyes acquired an eclectic mix of players in the offseason; rookies Dwight Lago, Benny Cheng, Olsen Racela, and Freddie Abuda were drafted to provide hustle and energy, but Reyes also recruited a couple of grizzled veterans: Caidic’s old enforcer from Presto, Abe King, and a rugged guard from Alaska, Frankie Lim.
Lim had been, for many years, the starting point guard for Alaska, but he was let go in the offseason as Tim Cone and the Alaska brain trust decided to overhaul their team’s style and build around rookie point guard Johnny Abarrientos—an amazingly prescient move. Reyes, a longtime Alaska assistant, got Lim to join him with the Purefoods franchise. The veteran guard was there to provide insurance for Pumaren, knock down open three-pointers to take the pressure off his twin towers, and provide the kind of tough, old-school defense on opposing combo guards such as, yep, Ato Agustin.
Coney Island won that battle in 1993, but San Miguel got back at them in the tournament’s 1994 edition. Now, 15 years later, Ato Agustin and Frankie Lim are back facing off against each other in a championship series. Instead of duking it out on the court, Lim’s defending champions San Beda Red Lions are trying to hold off Agustin’s surprising San Sebastian Stags.
NCAA sportscaster Toff Rada, who has watched both teams closely, has some of the best analyses of the protagonists. He details the key weakness of the Stags’ game:
The San Sebastian Stags have been through a historic run in Season 85, with their 15-game winning streak spanning a stretch of almost 3 months. That streak was finally snapped by the Letran Knights of Louie Alas during their second round meeting, and things have been in free fall for the Stags, managing just a 2-3 win loss record, since then.
Much of the credit had been given to the physical play employed by the Knights, as the key to solving the San Sebastian puzzle. However, it is no coincidence that the Knights also utilize what may be the meanest full-court press in the league. I believe the press, more than the physicality, exposed the chink in the Stags' armor: the point guard position.
The coaching battle between the old hardcourt warriors is just as interesting. Ato Agustin has emerged as a surprise coaching maven, despite having had no prior high-level coaching experience. Meanwhile, Frankie Lim still has doubters even though he has led his team to two championships. This series, however, figures to be his biggest challenge yet.
Posted by jaemark
on October 22, 2009 at
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Reviewing Rebound Magazine
Last Tuesday night, I had the privilege of meeting up with Michael Yu, the man behind the college basketball magazine Rebound. We had a nice lively chat about hoops, mostly rumors that can’t be printed on this site. We had another reason for getting together, though; he wanted me to write about my thoughts on the magazine, and even gave me copies of the first two issues for free. I told him that I would love to do it, although I was going to be candid on this blog. I dug into the two issues, and while I was thinking about it, I realized I am eminently qualified to write a review about magazines.
First, I absolutely love magazines, sports magazines in particular. Those weekly sports magazines from the early ‘90s fed directly into my basketball addiction, from those same corner newsstands that only a few years earlier had been my source of Pilipino Funny Komiks (Force 1 Animax FTW!). I was a fan, in particular, of Scoreboard Magazine, which was funny, opinionated, irreverent, and included a weekly column about pro wrestling (two of the writers, Atty. Ed Tolentino and James Ty III are still active in the sports scene today). I stayed away from the more popular Sports Weekly, which was staid and boring. Can you guess the sports columnist who wrote majority of the stories on Sports Weekly? Yep, your old favorite, Quinito Henson.
All those publications folded up by the time I was in high school, but I did start a meager glossy magazine collection. It really wasn’t much, although for a certain stretch I didn’t miss an issue of Slam. But I was on a budget, so I got mostly back issues from Booksale of titles like Maxim (I was a huge fan of the American edition—articles like this made for great toilet reading), Spin (mostly for the Klosterman columns), Blender, Wired, and a handful of the local/regional editions of FHM and Time. I stopped buying magazines regularly though, around the time I started graduate school.
Second, my day job actually requires me to sift through hundreds of long-form features, reports, and profiles, and I’ve done a couple of them myself. I do have an appreciation for the work that goes into these things, and I have a fair idea of what works and what doesn’t.
So, how does Rebound magazine stack up?
It’s a great effort, and kudos should go to Mike and his merry band of writers: Rick Olivares, Chris Soler, Mike Abasolo, and in the second issue, Sid Ventura. They went at this project harder than Ronald Tubid chasing after a loose ball.
The first issue of the magazine got off to a rocky start, with the magazine suffering from apparent printing problems ruining all the photos. The centerpiece of the issue was the team-by-team previews for each NCAA and UAAP squad, with the writers going about a thousand words on each team. The effort was remarkable, and ultimately pointless; by the time the collegiate season rolled around, the previews were invariably dated. Did we really need to spend a magazine spread featuring the Angeles University Foundation Great Danes?
The second issue was much, much better. With the previews out of the way, there were more pages available for feature stories. Sid’s story on controversial FEU guard Mark Barroca was a keeper (high-res photos of Mark notwithstanding). Detail after detail of Mark’s life, pre-FEU, was compelling: his mother hated basketball, so he didn’t play organized ball in high school, competing instead as a distance runner; he made money as a ringer (or in his words, an “import”) in various basketball tournaments in Mindanao, just not in his native Zamboanga province, because his mom hated the game; he was cut when he tried out for his first varsity team at some no-name college in Zamboanga.
First, I absolutely love magazines, sports magazines in particular. Those weekly sports magazines from the early ‘90s fed directly into my basketball addiction, from those same corner newsstands that only a few years earlier had been my source of Pilipino Funny Komiks (Force 1 Animax FTW!). I was a fan, in particular, of Scoreboard Magazine, which was funny, opinionated, irreverent, and included a weekly column about pro wrestling (two of the writers, Atty. Ed Tolentino and James Ty III are still active in the sports scene today). I stayed away from the more popular Sports Weekly, which was staid and boring. Can you guess the sports columnist who wrote majority of the stories on Sports Weekly? Yep, your old favorite, Quinito Henson.
All those publications folded up by the time I was in high school, but I did start a meager glossy magazine collection. It really wasn’t much, although for a certain stretch I didn’t miss an issue of Slam. But I was on a budget, so I got mostly back issues from Booksale of titles like Maxim (I was a huge fan of the American edition—articles like this made for great toilet reading), Spin (mostly for the Klosterman columns), Blender, Wired, and a handful of the local/regional editions of FHM and Time. I stopped buying magazines regularly though, around the time I started graduate school.
Second, my day job actually requires me to sift through hundreds of long-form features, reports, and profiles, and I’ve done a couple of them myself. I do have an appreciation for the work that goes into these things, and I have a fair idea of what works and what doesn’t.
So, how does Rebound magazine stack up?
It’s a great effort, and kudos should go to Mike and his merry band of writers: Rick Olivares, Chris Soler, Mike Abasolo, and in the second issue, Sid Ventura. They went at this project harder than Ronald Tubid chasing after a loose ball.
The first issue of the magazine got off to a rocky start, with the magazine suffering from apparent printing problems ruining all the photos. The centerpiece of the issue was the team-by-team previews for each NCAA and UAAP squad, with the writers going about a thousand words on each team. The effort was remarkable, and ultimately pointless; by the time the collegiate season rolled around, the previews were invariably dated. Did we really need to spend a magazine spread featuring the Angeles University Foundation Great Danes?
The second issue was much, much better. With the previews out of the way, there were more pages available for feature stories. Sid’s story on controversial FEU guard Mark Barroca was a keeper (high-res photos of Mark notwithstanding). Detail after detail of Mark’s life, pre-FEU, was compelling: his mother hated basketball, so he didn’t play organized ball in high school, competing instead as a distance runner; he made money as a ringer (or in his words, an “import”) in various basketball tournaments in Mindanao, just not in his native Zamboanga province, because his mom hated the game; he was cut when he tried out for his first varsity team at some no-name college in Zamboanga.
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Posted by jaemark
on October 19, 2009 at
14:05
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Tags: Basketball, NCAA, Philippine sports media, Rafe Bartholomew, UAAP
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Inuman session
First, I apologize for the lack of updates. Here’s the reason I’ve been busy: A few months ago, when I started working for my current employer, the whole staff drew lots as to which presidentiable to cover. We were each assigned a candidate to keep tabs on and eventually write profiles for. Being new, I was assigned a prospective vice-presidential candidate, which shouldn’t have been much work. The prospective candidate? Noynoy Aquino.
I haven’t been posting mostly because I’ve been working on this feature.
Anyway, I did managed to squeeze in a drinking session last Tuesday night, as I got together with the brothers who run the excellent Patay ang Butiki blog, along with NCAA rookie sportscaster, law graduate, and all-around heartthrob Toff Rada. It was a great night for drinking beer and talking hoops.
In fact, it was so great that we’re probably going to do it again soon. We’d love to have other people joining us too. But first, we need your answers to the following:
Send you answers to j@firequinito.com. I’ll even buy you a beer below zero.
I haven’t been posting mostly because I’ve been working on this feature.
Anyway, I did managed to squeeze in a drinking session last Tuesday night, as I got together with the brothers who run the excellent Patay ang Butiki blog, along with NCAA rookie sportscaster, law graduate, and all-around heartthrob Toff Rada. It was a great night for drinking beer and talking hoops.
In fact, it was so great that we’re probably going to do it again soon. We’d love to have other people joining us too. But first, we need your answers to the following:
- Who was a better third-string center in the PBA, Tonichi Yturri or Peter Aguilar? Feel free to work in Tonichi Yturri’s shorts into your answer.
- Say we’re in an alternate universe where this current Ateneo team could play each other. The only difference would be that one team would have Rabeh Al-Husseini, while the other team would only have Nonoy Baclao. Which team would win? (Our answers were surprisingly unanimous.)
- Discuss the merits of Smart Gilas having Mark “Pretty Boy” Barroca and Chris Tiu as team captains.
- Who means more to his college basketball team, Chuck Dalanon or Jan Colina? If you have to Google either player, don’t even bother.
Send you answers to j@firequinito.com. I’ll even buy you a beer below zero.
Posted by jaemark
on September 10, 2009 at
18:51
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Tags: Andy Mark Barroca, Ateneo Blue Eagles, Chris Tiu, NCAA, Philippine Basketball Association, UAAP
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