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Whew. Call me naive but hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The apology sounds sincere, at least to me. But he's right. There were thousands who were disappointed by the transgression, but for all its worth, I'm one less. :)
Kudos to Krip Yuson for being a man and not copping out. Shit happens, but at least he owned up to it.
Class act, Krip Yuson. That, I believe, is how to make an apology. Admit you made a mistake, offer no self serving explanations, and be sincerely penitent.
offer no self-serving explanations? he did (he thought he practically co-authored joble's article, deadline pressure, age), and even he admitted they were lame and trivial.
I agree. That's why I got confused who wrote what. And if Joble was just tasked to create a draft for Yuson to publish it as his own.
fair enough, you know what? if the Politicians and pseudo politicians had more people like Krip(based on what he did here) maybe our country wouldnt be as terrible as it is now.
why do i SO agree with you. this is cynical but yeah, lets move on.
I worked with Krip briefly while in Solar and although this was disappointing, his response is admirable.
Peace.
Peace.
Tnx, guys, You've all been most kind.
Thus far.
And tnx for posting my letter, Jaemark.
:-) Krip
Thus far.
And tnx for posting my letter, Jaemark.
:-) Krip
What the?>!
Krip's "The Great Philippine Jungle Cafe" is one of the most memorable novels I've ever read. I'm really surprised by his "indiscretion". However, I'm even more surprised that he apologized. I thought he would chew out Jaemark in his email. I guess I've gotten used to so many Philippine personalities denying to death their blatant wrongdoings.
Krip's "The Great Philippine Jungle Cafe" is one of the most memorable novels I've ever read. I'm really surprised by his "indiscretion". However, I'm even more surprised that he apologized. I thought he would chew out Jaemark in his email. I guess I've gotten used to so many Philippine personalities denying to death their blatant wrongdoings.
From the mouth of a true poet. At first I thought this is gonna be a word war...
Krip Yuson, the man, the wicked, the beat!
Krip Yuson, the man, the wicked, the beat!
Krip was my professor at ADMU & while his apology is sincere, it is plagiarism nonetheless & has no excuse. Manny Pangilinan gets vilified for a plagiarized speech for "private" consumption but Krip gets off easy for something very public like a magazine. I realize we are all human & deserve 2nd chances but this case also speaks of inequality in society. If this was MVP or some other major personality we would never hear the end of it. That Krip even did this & hoped to get away with it is disappointing....
i don't think he hoped to get away with it. he acknowledged the fact that he'll be crucified for what he did and he'll just have to bear it.
his excuses were weak, and while i am extremely disappointed and have since decreased my respect for him, i am at least grateful that he owned up to it.
his excuses were weak, and while i am extremely disappointed and have since decreased my respect for him, i am at least grateful that he owned up to it.
Classic Act indeed to Krip. Mahirap umamin ng kasalanan or ng mistake lalo na at writer sya.
Wow, funny how Krip suddenly becomes the protagonist here. Siyempre wala naman siya magagawa kungdi magsorry kasi wala siyang lusot e.
Nakakatawa lang kasi kung hindi naman nabuking yung ginawa nia, hindi naman niya aaminin to. Kahit na anong sabihin niya, the intention was still there.
Kung hindi nakita to, magsosorry ka kaya Krip? Wag mo sabihing aamin ka pa rin..
Nakakatawa lang kasi kung hindi naman nabuking yung ginawa nia, hindi naman niya aaminin to. Kahit na anong sabihin niya, the intention was still there.
Kung hindi nakita to, magsosorry ka kaya Krip? Wag mo sabihing aamin ka pa rin..
that he apologized quickly is commendable. but to call it a class act? pucha, he plagiarized, pure and simple. and from an award-winning writer and teacher in ateneo at that!
people with that stature got to that level of respect because of their previous achievements. and because we put them on a higher pedestal, whether they like it or not, they should also be held to a higher standard. that krip yuson (or manny pangilinan, or sc justice del castillo, or michelle juan, (that ateneo law graduate/professor who wrote the plagiarized decisions of del castillo)) failed so miserably in living up to that standard is extremely disappointing and should be rightfully condemned.
class act?? no way. krip yuson got caught, and that's the only reason he apologized. parang kaso lang ni manny pangilinan yan...nabuking, napahiya, tapos hope that expert spin cyclists could contain the damage. the only advantage they have over justice del castillo and michelle juan is that they at least didnt deny anymore. still, aside from their ateneo connections (and san beda connections as well, cept for michelle juan), all of them are plagiarists.
tsk tsk.
people with that stature got to that level of respect because of their previous achievements. and because we put them on a higher pedestal, whether they like it or not, they should also be held to a higher standard. that krip yuson (or manny pangilinan, or sc justice del castillo, or michelle juan, (that ateneo law graduate/professor who wrote the plagiarized decisions of del castillo)) failed so miserably in living up to that standard is extremely disappointing and should be rightfully condemned.
class act?? no way. krip yuson got caught, and that's the only reason he apologized. parang kaso lang ni manny pangilinan yan...nabuking, napahiya, tapos hope that expert spin cyclists could contain the damage. the only advantage they have over justice del castillo and michelle juan is that they at least didnt deny anymore. still, aside from their ateneo connections (and san beda connections as well, cept for michelle juan), all of them are plagiarists.
tsk tsk.
So points for owning up to it and showing genuine regret. For any writer, these would have been enough, but Krip Yuson is not just any writer, he's also an /academic/. (Yes, he didn't plagiarize a thesis or academic journal article [at least none that we know of] but it's still plagiarism, one of the worst things you could do if you belong to the academe.)
"I know I'll be raked over the coals — for having joined the list of perpetrators of plagiarism. I will just have to bear the blows."
Just "bear the blows"? Take /full/ responsibility; resign from your teaching job at the Ateneo. Please, have some respect to the university, your students and yourself!
"I know I'll be raked over the coals — for having joined the list of perpetrators of plagiarism. I will just have to bear the blows."
Just "bear the blows"? Take /full/ responsibility; resign from your teaching job at the Ateneo. Please, have some respect to the university, your students and yourself!
wondering now what would happen if a student of his submits a plagiarized work. would an apology suffice? di na nya babagsak? can the student just claim na pagod lang sya kaya nya nagawa yon? would krip yuson keep it a secret, given that a school's usual policy for plagiarists is to kick out the student? but wouldnt that be hypocrisy considering krip yuson himself plagiarized as well?
How do I react to this. Maybe it's just too bad that Krip Yuson is one great lovable writer who's difficult to hate for this. I understand (from the letter) that he had assumptions that he has co-written the draft so maybe it's not that bad after all. And how do you resolve the fact that anyone's idea could be somebody else's idea, anytime, any place. Im not saying that plagiarism is good. Im just saying that I want to understand all the sides here.
lol @ the haters. iba naman yung may intention to plagiarize dun sa nagkaroon lang ng false assumption. just like what mr. yuson said, he thought that he'd become a co-author of the article since he edited mr. joble's article. so, okay, he's still guilty of plagiarism. but it's only to a lesser degree. kinda lame if he'd be forced to resign just because of this...
It's easy to say that he just made false assumptions. I find it hard to believe because Krip is a veteran writer and for him not to know what constitutes plagiarism is absurd.
The fact is the deadline was tight, he plagiarized and prayed that he will not get caught..
The fact is the deadline was tight, he plagiarized and prayed that he will not get caught..
lol @ those who think there are different degrees of plagiarism. yuson himself admitted his excuse is lame. so if a student of his plagiarizes and gives out a weak reason, would that mean the latter shouldnt be kicked out because the guilt is to a lesser degree? oh, you'd probably say yes. let me guess, you probably think that the sc justice who plagiarized also has valid reasons.
chances are, you've never had any of your work stolen. believe you me, when that happens, there's only one degree of guilt that you would pin on the thief who stole and plagiarized your work.
no intent to plagiarize as he simply made a false assumption.....oh please. kung bata siguro, pwede, but he's a multi awarded writer and editor and member of the academe. those lame-ass excuses should not be tolerated, especially since he's a teacher.
chances are, you've never had any of your work stolen. believe you me, when that happens, there's only one degree of guilt that you would pin on the thief who stole and plagiarized your work.
no intent to plagiarize as he simply made a false assumption.....oh please. kung bata siguro, pwede, but he's a multi awarded writer and editor and member of the academe. those lame-ass excuses should not be tolerated, especially since he's a teacher.
Admitting a mistake and expressing regret, however commendable, doesn't remove the fact that he committed intellectual dishonesty. Ok, maybe he was just sloppy. But as a teacher, how is he going to have any academic or intellectual (or even moral) authority on any of his classes especially in assessing student work? Particularly in Creative Writing, Literary Criticism or Journalism or, even, English Lit, where originality of ideas (or, at least, its composition and citation) matters.
He's a brilliant and accomplished writer and maybe magazines and newspapers should still (and probably will) continue publishing his work, but the academe should have no place for plagiarists. People make mistakes, including very stupid ones, but for his specific field, plagiarism is simply unacceptable.
@No Namer: This is not about "intent". It's about him having the self-respect to resign, (regardless if he was asked to, or forced to do it). SoH or the Loyola Schools can choose to reject it (like, initially, what Nebres did for Pangilinan) but that would say more about the institution than the man. But surely some form of reprimand (like a suspension?), or self-chastisement (beyond some sad apology letter to a blog), like an offer to resign, is in order.
He's a brilliant and accomplished writer and maybe magazines and newspapers should still (and probably will) continue publishing his work, but the academe should have no place for plagiarists. People make mistakes, including very stupid ones, but for his specific field, plagiarism is simply unacceptable.
@No Namer: This is not about "intent". It's about him having the self-respect to resign, (regardless if he was asked to, or forced to do it). SoH or the Loyola Schools can choose to reject it (like, initially, what Nebres did for Pangilinan) but that would say more about the institution than the man. But surely some form of reprimand (like a suspension?), or self-chastisement (beyond some sad apology letter to a blog), like an offer to resign, is in order.
@Mr. Yuson: your mistake, was not missing out on Robles' credit (he does deserve it), but with actually making the decision to use the article in the first place.
You are not a rookie (even if you were, it would still be unacceptable), and you should know this sh__t better than the rest of us.
Time, age, pressure and so many other factors are not worth pointing out. Not even the fact that you helped polish the original article (when was that ever enough to credit anyone as a co-writer/author? only as a proof-reader or an editor at best -neither of which is good enough to post the article elsewhere).
The only good thing here is that you've managed to quell the first line of mobs. Pitchforks have been withdrawn and torches have been put out. Yes, you'll definitely be raked over the coals for this. And no one can argue that for your actions, it is much deserved.
And regardless of whatever explanations you may give, you still show respect for the industry by not denying your faults. Thank you for raising the bar for expected behavior and reactions. It has been set too low for so long.
You are not a rookie (even if you were, it would still be unacceptable), and you should know this sh__t better than the rest of us.
Time, age, pressure and so many other factors are not worth pointing out. Not even the fact that you helped polish the original article (when was that ever enough to credit anyone as a co-writer/author? only as a proof-reader or an editor at best -neither of which is good enough to post the article elsewhere).
The only good thing here is that you've managed to quell the first line of mobs. Pitchforks have been withdrawn and torches have been put out. Yes, you'll definitely be raked over the coals for this. And no one can argue that for your actions, it is much deserved.
And regardless of whatever explanations you may give, you still show respect for the industry by not denying your faults. Thank you for raising the bar for expected behavior and reactions. It has been set too low for so long.
It's so sad that some people have nothing better to do with their time and instead just clamor "Resign! Resign!" right and left. Mr. Yuson has already proven himself time and time again as a spectacular writer. The man has been writing since his teenage years and has never stopped, can people really call foul that a now aged writer confuses two pieces he's writing with the many articles he writes/reads/edits everyday?
Other aging greats have made far worse mistakes and worse, never address those nor admit they're wrong. Krip Yuson has just done both, and I say leave the man alone already. Move on.
Other aging greats have made far worse mistakes and worse, never address those nor admit they're wrong. Krip Yuson has just done both, and I say leave the man alone already. Move on.
The point is, would Krip have admitted this had he not been exposed? If you own up to something fishy especially when no one knows it is the mark of honesty.
it's sad that you have that mindset. just bec there are "Other aging greats have made far worse mistakes and worse, never address those nor admit they're wrong," doesnt mean that krip yuson should be absolved even if he has admitted and apologized for it. for crying out loud, he's a freaking editor and, to use your words, an aging great (meaning he's a veteran and he's an expert). for him not to know what constitutes plagiarism, or for him to lamely reason out as "false assumption," is a complete and utterly detestable stretch. who is he kidding? false assumption my ass.
SHOWBIZ na SHOWBIZ na to ah... and that's why we love this blog... because filipinos love SHOWBIZ...
next scandal please.
next scandal please.
I can't believe that a lot of people is defending Krip.. Hindi kaya pakawala lang niya yung mga defenders niya dito?
If Rey Joble, the aggrieved party is satisfied with the apology, it seems the incident should just be put on record as a black mark and then move on.
It's hard to judge sincerity but in our world where all of us make mistakes (we're lucky most of them are not as public as this one), I am more forgiving especially when it's the first time.
I am sure if Krip is sincere, he will probably even be a much better writer, teacher because of this, and can use this to make positive things happen in the future.
We crucify people who make excuses and lie through their teeth for mistakes. We crucify people who own up to mistakes. I think based on experience, there is a better chance things do change for the better when people own up to the transgression.
Peace.
It's hard to judge sincerity but in our world where all of us make mistakes (we're lucky most of them are not as public as this one), I am more forgiving especially when it's the first time.
I am sure if Krip is sincere, he will probably even be a much better writer, teacher because of this, and can use this to make positive things happen in the future.
We crucify people who make excuses and lie through their teeth for mistakes. We crucify people who own up to mistakes. I think based on experience, there is a better chance things do change for the better when people own up to the transgression.
Peace.
forgiving is no problem. but dude, there has to be some sort of punishment for what he had done. a mere apology just doesn't cut it. he's a member of the academe, for chrissake. more was expected of him.
ray joble's acceptance of yuson's apology is a reflection of joble's admirable character, but not of the gravity of yuson's misdeed.
people are actually more forgiving of yuson because he is a respected figure in the academe and the literary world. i take the opposing view; shouldn't he be put to task more for his plagiarism as what he did is unforgivable in academic institutions and literary circles.
again, i ask...what will yuson now do to his students found guilty of plagiarism? what moral authority does he have now?
maybe it's not up to yuson. maybe it is ateneo itself that would take the initiative in investigating the incident. the sad part of course is that ateneo itself probably would not have the balls to do anything about it. following the manny pangilinan plagiarism incident, the disgraced businessman was quickly forgiven without punishment because "it was not intentional, he acknowledged responsibility, and he issued an apology." of course, him bankrolling buildings and sports teams is probably the real reason.
yuson does not have the luxury of money to buy out his sin to the school. maybe it's about time that ateneo treats a plagiarist the way cheaters and other major offenders are treated. acknowledging responsibility and saying sorry for intellectual dishonesty are not enough to paraphrase those who were pushing for pangilinan's resignation from ateneo, there should be accountability as well.
ray joble's acceptance of yuson's apology is a reflection of joble's admirable character, but not of the gravity of yuson's misdeed.
people are actually more forgiving of yuson because he is a respected figure in the academe and the literary world. i take the opposing view; shouldn't he be put to task more for his plagiarism as what he did is unforgivable in academic institutions and literary circles.
again, i ask...what will yuson now do to his students found guilty of plagiarism? what moral authority does he have now?
maybe it's not up to yuson. maybe it is ateneo itself that would take the initiative in investigating the incident. the sad part of course is that ateneo itself probably would not have the balls to do anything about it. following the manny pangilinan plagiarism incident, the disgraced businessman was quickly forgiven without punishment because "it was not intentional, he acknowledged responsibility, and he issued an apology." of course, him bankrolling buildings and sports teams is probably the real reason.
yuson does not have the luxury of money to buy out his sin to the school. maybe it's about time that ateneo treats a plagiarist the way cheaters and other major offenders are treated. acknowledging responsibility and saying sorry for intellectual dishonesty are not enough to paraphrase those who were pushing for pangilinan's resignation from ateneo, there should be accountability as well.
So take his apology and forgive. We can all agree on that.
But what about accountability? He's an academic who committed plagiarism! An /academic/ who committed plagiarism!!
If a highly-esteemed chemistry or economics professor were found to have fabricated data on a research, I'm quite sure a quick admission and sincere apology would NOT have sufficed.
The same should apply to Humanities professors (and probably even more so!) who commit a similar form of dishonesty.
Some accountability, please!
But what about accountability? He's an academic who committed plagiarism! An /academic/ who committed plagiarism!!
If a highly-esteemed chemistry or economics professor were found to have fabricated data on a research, I'm quite sure a quick admission and sincere apology would NOT have sufficed.
The same should apply to Humanities professors (and probably even more so!) who commit a similar form of dishonesty.
Some accountability, please!
I am all for accountability and that's really for Ateneo or the institutions Krip works for to decide.
But for me, the worst form of punishment for men (and women) of honor is public humiliation and for your reputation to take a hit. Damaged reputation would already be greater punishment than losing your job.
Peace.
Jude
But for me, the worst form of punishment for men (and women) of honor is public humiliation and for your reputation to take a hit. Damaged reputation would already be greater punishment than losing your job.
Peace.
Jude
well, not really. it's not just for ateneo to decide. krip yuson can do the honorable thing and just relinquish his post. if he doesn't, only then does it become ateneo's decision.
but then again, as i have posted above, what would ateneo do? given the precedent they created on manny pangilinan's plagiarism brouhaha, the school itself has credibility issues on its treatment of cheaters and major offenders. so krip yuson should just do the right thing. i agree with roland's suggestion...resign, or at least, take a sabbatical.
damaged reputation being the worst punishment? the marcoses, general ligot and his wife, roland singson, gringo honasan, etc. have irreparably damaged reputations, but i sure as hell would still want to see them punished in a more tangible manner. not saying he should go to jail...exag naman yon. but surely, he should be punished in a more concrete manner than just being tagged and smirched with a plagiarist reputation.
but then again, as i have posted above, what would ateneo do? given the precedent they created on manny pangilinan's plagiarism brouhaha, the school itself has credibility issues on its treatment of cheaters and major offenders. so krip yuson should just do the right thing. i agree with roland's suggestion...resign, or at least, take a sabbatical.
damaged reputation being the worst punishment? the marcoses, general ligot and his wife, roland singson, gringo honasan, etc. have irreparably damaged reputations, but i sure as hell would still want to see them punished in a more tangible manner. not saying he should go to jail...exag naman yon. but surely, he should be punished in a more concrete manner than just being tagged and smirched with a plagiarist reputation.
"... that's really for Ateneo or the institutions Krip works for to decide."
No! It is not! At least not solely. An academic with integrity, if he really understands the gravity of plagiarism ("intentional" or not) would choose to relinquish (or at least offer to do so) his connections to the university.
@Jude: I mean, again, seriously, if an esteemed science or economics teacher was caught to have made up data for a published research, this abstract concept of "damaged reputation" will not do! I mean, really, would it be acceptable to say about the scientist/economist "Oh it's fine, she apologized. And she lost the respect of her peers; she can keep her job!" Would it be acceptable for that person to tell herself "My reputation took a hit. That's enough. I should still be part of the academe and have authority teaching (and assessing) students, as they write their papers and make their reports, to practice intellectual honesty."? Please explain why this would be acceptable. Make me understand.
Surely, accountability is not only about whether the institutions you work for will hold you responsible to your actions, it should also be about accountability to oneself! He should offer to leave, or at least, go on sabbatical.
No! It is not! At least not solely. An academic with integrity, if he really understands the gravity of plagiarism ("intentional" or not) would choose to relinquish (or at least offer to do so) his connections to the university.
@Jude: I mean, again, seriously, if an esteemed science or economics teacher was caught to have made up data for a published research, this abstract concept of "damaged reputation" will not do! I mean, really, would it be acceptable to say about the scientist/economist "Oh it's fine, she apologized. And she lost the respect of her peers; she can keep her job!" Would it be acceptable for that person to tell herself "My reputation took a hit. That's enough. I should still be part of the academe and have authority teaching (and assessing) students, as they write their papers and make their reports, to practice intellectual honesty."? Please explain why this would be acceptable. Make me understand.
Surely, accountability is not only about whether the institutions you work for will hold you responsible to your actions, it should also be about accountability to oneself! He should offer to leave, or at least, go on sabbatical.
It's a sickness of Yuson's and many of his social climbing contemporaries: writing "elegantly" even if derivative sometimes bordering on "plagiarism" and in fact, in this case, actual plagiarism, is preferable to writing "inelegantly". They're obsessed with sounding patrician, Yuson above all, that they often sound archaic. Compare Yuson's prose with John Lyly to understand what I mean.
I don't much care about the plagiarism issue. If one understands Yuson's character, then one can believe his explanation. He edited the original piece to such a degree that he cannot bear rewriting it or writing a totally different take of the same. He might have indeed "remastered" his original sense or even surpassed it given the time, which of course he wasn't.
The main issue in the literary world re Yuson's boo-boo is this: are we pure Easterners in our aesthetic beliefs and are overawed by a painter who draws the most perfect circle? Or are we pure Westerners enjoying originality and bravery of spirit above all other artistic virtues? Seems to have started like the former ending with the latter.
Note: Parody lang ang sa taas ha, as far as yung istilo, pero yung sense, yun talaga ibig kung sabihin. :)
I don't much care about the plagiarism issue. If one understands Yuson's character, then one can believe his explanation. He edited the original piece to such a degree that he cannot bear rewriting it or writing a totally different take of the same. He might have indeed "remastered" his original sense or even surpassed it given the time, which of course he wasn't.
The main issue in the literary world re Yuson's boo-boo is this: are we pure Easterners in our aesthetic beliefs and are overawed by a painter who draws the most perfect circle? Or are we pure Westerners enjoying originality and bravery of spirit above all other artistic virtues? Seems to have started like the former ending with the latter.
Note: Parody lang ang sa taas ha, as far as yung istilo, pero yung sense, yun talaga ibig kung sabihin. :)
in this world of modernity and high level technology, its very easy to claim that a certain write-up/essay was your original idea... at present, its so easy to copy and paste what you read on the internet... one good example is wikipedia... i admit, when i was a student, i resort to the copy and paste method, but what can we do??? in today's time, we are all presented with things which are instant to make our life easy and convenient... instant coffee, noodles, pansit canton, and now instant ideas which came from other people...
you cant blame people from committing plagiarism, because its the convenient way in today's time...
you cant blame people from committing plagiarism, because its the convenient way in today's time...
Wow, Carlos I pity you & the values you have. At this day & age it is definitely a challenge to keep your values intact but that precisely is what the reward is all about which you obviously have lost. Just because it's convenient doesn't make it right. I hope you don't pass that trait of yours to your kids.
I read this somewhere, and I am paraphrasing:
"You have to be able to tell the difference between a bad person, and a good person who does something bad."
I think Yuson is a decent person who did something bad, and he has said he is willing to accept all consequences and vilification for it. Is he off the hook? Hell no.
Would he have owned to it had he not been caught. Probably not.
But in a nation full of politicians and personalities who refuse to own up to their mistakes and seem to believe they can do no wrong, it's refreshing to see someone say
"Hey, I did something very bad. I admit it. I expect all manner of recrimination. Let me have it."
Heck this letter makes it easier to sue him as it is an admission of guilt right there.
Is he a hero? Only by lower heroism standards given our shortage of actual heroes these days. Otherwise, he is still answerable.
Nonetheless, a very classy response.
"You have to be able to tell the difference between a bad person, and a good person who does something bad."
I think Yuson is a decent person who did something bad, and he has said he is willing to accept all consequences and vilification for it. Is he off the hook? Hell no.
Would he have owned to it had he not been caught. Probably not.
But in a nation full of politicians and personalities who refuse to own up to their mistakes and seem to believe they can do no wrong, it's refreshing to see someone say
"Hey, I did something very bad. I admit it. I expect all manner of recrimination. Let me have it."
Heck this letter makes it easier to sue him as it is an admission of guilt right there.
Is he a hero? Only by lower heroism standards given our shortage of actual heroes these days. Otherwise, he is still answerable.
Nonetheless, a very classy response.
Hindi dahil umamin ka sa nagawa mong mali eh tapos na ang usapan. Kung lahat ng bagay sa ganitong paraan matatapos, saan tayo pupulutin niyan. I don't mean to go off on a tangent, pero -- lahat ba ng kriminal, kapag nagsabi ng sorry eh "off the hook" na rin sa kanilang krimen?
Not to say na nasa ganoong level yung nagawa ni Krip, pero agree ako sa sinabi ng iba: wala na siyang moral authority ngayon, sa kahit anong bagay, lalong-lalo na sa pagsusulat. At sa pagtuturo. Anong klaseng example ang binibigay mo ngayon sa lahat ng tumitingala sa yo? Ang dami naming mga bata at baguhang writer na nagpapakahirap kumita ng pera, pumapasok sa iba't ibang trabaho kahit hindi namin gusto, kasi kailangan namin kumain eh, kailangan namin magbayad ng kuryente. Pero despite all of that, nagsisikap kami na itaas ang antas ng pagsusulat sa pamamagitan ng tapat na pagsusulat. Pero ikaw, na nandiyan na, na hindi na kailangan magbanat masyado ng buto, na marami nang awards, nakaya mong gawin to. Grabe lang.
Hindi benta sa akin yung excuse ni Krip. Kasi yun lang yun -- excuse lang. Sa layo ng narating niya, sa lalim ng experience niya, hindi katanggap-tanggap ang rason na ngarag siya dahil may deadline, o nag-assume siya na "co-author" siya. I mean, COME ON. Kung co-author ka eh di dapat dun palang sa original na article may byline ka na. Dapat sa umpisa pa lang may concrete and explicit understanding kayo ni Rey Joble na kayong dalawa yung sumulat nun.
Isa pa, hindi dahil nag-edit at nag-proofread ka, co-author ka na. Alam mo yan dapat, Krip. Imposibleng hindi mo alam. Ang tagal mo nang nagsusulat. Kahit sino sa atin na nakapagsulat na sa publication, kahit sa highschool, college o nationally distributed magazine o newspaper pa yan, alam yang mga ganyan. Kaya hindi excuse yung assumption mo. The fact that you assumed it is so in the first place speaks of your arrogance, I'm sorry to say.
Sa mga taong nagsasabi bakit pinapalaki na pa to, na hindi to issue, well, bilang isa sa mga konti na lang na natitirang nagsusulat dito sa Pilipinas, para sa akin issue to. Ang hirap maging writer dito sa Pinas, tapos mababababoy pa dahil sa ginawa ni Krip. Tapos to add insult to injury, nakapaka-offhand pa ng apology, parang ginagawa tayong tanga lahat.
Kung ako sa inyo, isipin niyo yung implikasyon ng ginawa niya. Hindi lang to simpleng plagiarism ng sports article. May epekto to unang-una sa education, dahil teacher din siya, pangalawa sa pagtuturo sa mga batang writer, dahil yun ang trabaho niya, pangatlo, sa pagiging writer, dahil tayo bilang manunulat, kahit sa diyaryo ka pa o sa magazine o scriptwriter sa tv o tumutula - may mga responsibilidad tayo, hindi lang sa community ng mga writers pero sa audience natin. Hindi natin dapat "hayaan na" at hindi tayo dapat mag-"move on" dahil lang nag-sorry siya.
Isa pa, paano yung mga institusyon na nagbigay ng mga parangal sa kaniya? Hindi rin ba niya yun ininsulto at dinisrespect? Kahit ba sabihin natin na nagka-award siya dati pa, na yung mga award na yun ay para sa mga original na sinulat niya dati pa, yung pangalan ng institusyon kakabit na sa pangalan niya, sa credentials niya. May responsibilidad din siya dun.
Pati yung Rogue - paano ko pa ngayon paniniwalaan ang credibility ng Rogue Magazine kung nakakalampas yung mga ganitong insidente?
Yun lang naman, kaya naiintindihan ko yung disgust ni Jaemark at ng iba pang commenters. Yun din yung sana maintindihan nung iba dito na nag-iisip bakit ginagawa tong showbiz. Hindi to showbiz. Real life to. Sa real life yung mga gumagawa ng ganitong mali, dapat ginagawang accountable. Hindi por que nag-sorry ay ok na. Yan din yung ginawa nung isang presidente di ba, sa TV pa. O tapos anong nangyari dun.
Kailangan lang kasi lawakan pa natin ng kaunti yung pag-unawa natin sa nangyaring ito. At itaas pa lalo yung standards natin.
Para sa ibang mga writers, lalo na sa mga bata pa, sa tingin ko dapat hindi natin to palampasin, dapat hindi tayo tumahimik lang. Kasi tayo yung magmamana ng iiwanan ng mga nakakatanda eh, at kung may isang Krip Yuson na plagiarizer na mag-iiwan ng ganitong "legacy" at tinanggap na lang natin nang basta-basta, paano na sa future? Paano yung hindi naintindihan na mali to? Tatanda ba tayong lahat at magiging "nation of plagiarizers"?
Not to say na nasa ganoong level yung nagawa ni Krip, pero agree ako sa sinabi ng iba: wala na siyang moral authority ngayon, sa kahit anong bagay, lalong-lalo na sa pagsusulat. At sa pagtuturo. Anong klaseng example ang binibigay mo ngayon sa lahat ng tumitingala sa yo? Ang dami naming mga bata at baguhang writer na nagpapakahirap kumita ng pera, pumapasok sa iba't ibang trabaho kahit hindi namin gusto, kasi kailangan namin kumain eh, kailangan namin magbayad ng kuryente. Pero despite all of that, nagsisikap kami na itaas ang antas ng pagsusulat sa pamamagitan ng tapat na pagsusulat. Pero ikaw, na nandiyan na, na hindi na kailangan magbanat masyado ng buto, na marami nang awards, nakaya mong gawin to. Grabe lang.
Hindi benta sa akin yung excuse ni Krip. Kasi yun lang yun -- excuse lang. Sa layo ng narating niya, sa lalim ng experience niya, hindi katanggap-tanggap ang rason na ngarag siya dahil may deadline, o nag-assume siya na "co-author" siya. I mean, COME ON. Kung co-author ka eh di dapat dun palang sa original na article may byline ka na. Dapat sa umpisa pa lang may concrete and explicit understanding kayo ni Rey Joble na kayong dalawa yung sumulat nun.
Isa pa, hindi dahil nag-edit at nag-proofread ka, co-author ka na. Alam mo yan dapat, Krip. Imposibleng hindi mo alam. Ang tagal mo nang nagsusulat. Kahit sino sa atin na nakapagsulat na sa publication, kahit sa highschool, college o nationally distributed magazine o newspaper pa yan, alam yang mga ganyan. Kaya hindi excuse yung assumption mo. The fact that you assumed it is so in the first place speaks of your arrogance, I'm sorry to say.
Sa mga taong nagsasabi bakit pinapalaki na pa to, na hindi to issue, well, bilang isa sa mga konti na lang na natitirang nagsusulat dito sa Pilipinas, para sa akin issue to. Ang hirap maging writer dito sa Pinas, tapos mababababoy pa dahil sa ginawa ni Krip. Tapos to add insult to injury, nakapaka-offhand pa ng apology, parang ginagawa tayong tanga lahat.
Kung ako sa inyo, isipin niyo yung implikasyon ng ginawa niya. Hindi lang to simpleng plagiarism ng sports article. May epekto to unang-una sa education, dahil teacher din siya, pangalawa sa pagtuturo sa mga batang writer, dahil yun ang trabaho niya, pangatlo, sa pagiging writer, dahil tayo bilang manunulat, kahit sa diyaryo ka pa o sa magazine o scriptwriter sa tv o tumutula - may mga responsibilidad tayo, hindi lang sa community ng mga writers pero sa audience natin. Hindi natin dapat "hayaan na" at hindi tayo dapat mag-"move on" dahil lang nag-sorry siya.
Isa pa, paano yung mga institusyon na nagbigay ng mga parangal sa kaniya? Hindi rin ba niya yun ininsulto at dinisrespect? Kahit ba sabihin natin na nagka-award siya dati pa, na yung mga award na yun ay para sa mga original na sinulat niya dati pa, yung pangalan ng institusyon kakabit na sa pangalan niya, sa credentials niya. May responsibilidad din siya dun.
Pati yung Rogue - paano ko pa ngayon paniniwalaan ang credibility ng Rogue Magazine kung nakakalampas yung mga ganitong insidente?
Yun lang naman, kaya naiintindihan ko yung disgust ni Jaemark at ng iba pang commenters. Yun din yung sana maintindihan nung iba dito na nag-iisip bakit ginagawa tong showbiz. Hindi to showbiz. Real life to. Sa real life yung mga gumagawa ng ganitong mali, dapat ginagawang accountable. Hindi por que nag-sorry ay ok na. Yan din yung ginawa nung isang presidente di ba, sa TV pa. O tapos anong nangyari dun.
Kailangan lang kasi lawakan pa natin ng kaunti yung pag-unawa natin sa nangyaring ito. At itaas pa lalo yung standards natin.
Para sa ibang mga writers, lalo na sa mga bata pa, sa tingin ko dapat hindi natin to palampasin, dapat hindi tayo tumahimik lang. Kasi tayo yung magmamana ng iiwanan ng mga nakakatanda eh, at kung may isang Krip Yuson na plagiarizer na mag-iiwan ng ganitong "legacy" at tinanggap na lang natin nang basta-basta, paano na sa future? Paano yung hindi naintindihan na mali to? Tatanda ba tayong lahat at magiging "nation of plagiarizers"?
I agree that sorry isn't enough but that he should resign from his current post will depend on the rules and regulations that his employer, ADMU, has in place with regard to this issue. Let's observe due process.
Let us remember that every organization has rules and operating procedures to follow. In connection with the plagiarism issue and its corresponding sanction, those concerned may check what these are and if these will be met by ADMU.
There is always a process to observe and we can always do ways in a civilized manner (not to berate anyone, just saying).
Personally, I think it is just inhumane to ask for him to resign or forego a career that he has worked hard for a lifetime because of this incident. But if ADMU's policies says so then we should and he should respect it.
Let us remember that every organization has rules and operating procedures to follow. In connection with the plagiarism issue and its corresponding sanction, those concerned may check what these are and if these will be met by ADMU.
There is always a process to observe and we can always do ways in a civilized manner (not to berate anyone, just saying).
Personally, I think it is just inhumane to ask for him to resign or forego a career that he has worked hard for a lifetime because of this incident. But if ADMU's policies says so then we should and he should respect it.
Not saying he should forego his career, but that people shouldn't give him a free pass at "intindihin na lang" dahil siya si Alfred Yuson, award-winning writer. Hindi ba dapat mas vigilant tayo sa mga established na kasi mas may alam sila? Sila yung nagpi-preach sa younger writers di ba, tapos sila pa yung bad example. How do you think that makes us feel? We worked so goddamned hard tapos may mga taong katulad niya na na-violate lahat ng tinuro sa amin na wag na wag gagawin.
He should realize the gravity of what he did. Kasama sa pagtatag ng karera mo bilang writer yung reputation mo, at pagiging responsible mo, ergo buong buhay mo binubuo yung prinsipyo na hindi ka magpe-plagiarize. So bakit inhumane ang hingin sa kaniya na panindigan niya yung ginawa niya?
Isipin mo nga, kung teacher ko siya. Pag may assignment magpe-plagiarize ako. At pag nahuli ako, ang reason ko, "Sorry, ser, pagod kasi ako kagabi eh. Dami ko deadline. Dami ko gawa. Di ko yan sinasadya talaga. As in. Sana maintindihan niyo ko." O anong gagawin niya? Paparusahan niya ako? Hindi ba ang hypocrite niya pag ganon? Eh kung hayaan niya na lang, kasi nagkamali rin siya before, hindi ba kino-condone niya ang plagiarism?
Yan kasi yung pinasok niya na sitwasyon. Kaya sana he doesn't make light of it, and he shouldn't try to pass off all those excuses as a form of sincere apology, kasi frankly, it's all bullshit.
He should realize the gravity of what he did. Kasama sa pagtatag ng karera mo bilang writer yung reputation mo, at pagiging responsible mo, ergo buong buhay mo binubuo yung prinsipyo na hindi ka magpe-plagiarize. So bakit inhumane ang hingin sa kaniya na panindigan niya yung ginawa niya?
Isipin mo nga, kung teacher ko siya. Pag may assignment magpe-plagiarize ako. At pag nahuli ako, ang reason ko, "Sorry, ser, pagod kasi ako kagabi eh. Dami ko deadline. Dami ko gawa. Di ko yan sinasadya talaga. As in. Sana maintindihan niyo ko." O anong gagawin niya? Paparusahan niya ako? Hindi ba ang hypocrite niya pag ganon? Eh kung hayaan niya na lang, kasi nagkamali rin siya before, hindi ba kino-condone niya ang plagiarism?
Yan kasi yung pinasok niya na sitwasyon. Kaya sana he doesn't make light of it, and he shouldn't try to pass off all those excuses as a form of sincere apology, kasi frankly, it's all bullshit.
One thing na gusto ko pa i-address sa mga tao: plagiarism is stealing. Seryoso siyang offense. Hindi yan nadadaan sa sorry. Kasingbigat niya ang panloloob sa bahay ng iba, ang pagkidnap sa isang tao. Plagiarism is the act of stealing someone's intellectual property. Sa ibang bansa mabigat ang repercussions para sa isang plagiarizer.
And for someone who has been a writer for so many years, sobrang laking bagay nito. Hindi dapat pagbigyan si Krip Yuson dahil nag-sorry siya agad. The fact still remains na nagnakaw siya. The writing community shouldn't be "gentle" with Krip Yuson. Yung outrage na pinadama niyo kay Manny Pangilinan, dapat ganun din sa kaniya. Wag tayong double standard. Hindi honest mistake ang ginawa niya. Ang tawag dun, being irresponsible.
And for someone who has been a writer for so many years, sobrang laking bagay nito. Hindi dapat pagbigyan si Krip Yuson dahil nag-sorry siya agad. The fact still remains na nagnakaw siya. The writing community shouldn't be "gentle" with Krip Yuson. Yung outrage na pinadama niyo kay Manny Pangilinan, dapat ganun din sa kaniya. Wag tayong double standard. Hindi honest mistake ang ginawa niya. Ang tawag dun, being irresponsible.
i hear you. i hope someone can give us feedback regarding sanctions that ADMU has in place for plagiarism.
Regardless of his reasons...how can he face his students? How can he expect his students not do do what he did? I find something flippant about his apology. If he catches a student plagiarizing someone else's work, what now? This is disappointing. I have always been taught that integrity is above all else: above tiredness, above deadlines, above being overworked...it's very easy to apologize. I find it disturbing that it took only that much for him to plagiarize, and I am very disappointed.
I'd much appreciate it if all of you just take my grandfather's apology and let him go on with his life. It's bad enough that he had to go through this sort of punishment by people who aren't even in the position to punish him for what he did. Let those who are in authority over matters such as these take over this matter. All of you are merely on-lookers at this very unfortunate incident.
I, for one, should know that Lolo Krip's apology is sincere. No doubt about that. What he did is wrong. I should know. But that doesn't give all of you the right to backlash. Admit it; almost everyone up in here has committed plagiarism in his/her life. Might've happened when you guys were in high school, or even college. Probably you guys weren't caught for committing the act, thus allowing you to act so violently, so unjustly to my grandfather.
To Mr. Tordecilla, I appreciate you coming out with this issue and all, but your article is full of hateful remarks against my grandfather and what he did. I don't appreciate that bit of your little article. Well, duh, I'm his grandson. Of course, I'd side with my grandfather on this issue. He was wrong, but, against all the extra backlashes against him, I am at his defense. Mr. Tordecilla, please. With all due respect, it would be nice of you to re-write your article in such a way that you condemn my grandfather for what he did, but without all those bad remarks.
Lolo Krip. As your grandson, I wasn't able to take the news well. Mama was even hesitant to inform me about this issue. I d on't know why you did this, but I am not condemning you for it. Christ once said, "He who has not sinned, cast the first stone." To that line I stick by. It may have disappointed me at first, Lolo Krip, but, at the end of the day, you're still my grandfather, a grandfather whom I truly love. To all those who've gone too far with their remarks, I'll stand by you in your defense. Blood is thicker than water, they say. I love you, Lolo Krip.
I, for one, should know that Lolo Krip's apology is sincere. No doubt about that. What he did is wrong. I should know. But that doesn't give all of you the right to backlash. Admit it; almost everyone up in here has committed plagiarism in his/her life. Might've happened when you guys were in high school, or even college. Probably you guys weren't caught for committing the act, thus allowing you to act so violently, so unjustly to my grandfather.
To Mr. Tordecilla, I appreciate you coming out with this issue and all, but your article is full of hateful remarks against my grandfather and what he did. I don't appreciate that bit of your little article. Well, duh, I'm his grandson. Of course, I'd side with my grandfather on this issue. He was wrong, but, against all the extra backlashes against him, I am at his defense. Mr. Tordecilla, please. With all due respect, it would be nice of you to re-write your article in such a way that you condemn my grandfather for what he did, but without all those bad remarks.
Lolo Krip. As your grandson, I wasn't able to take the news well. Mama was even hesitant to inform me about this issue. I d on't know why you did this, but I am not condemning you for it. Christ once said, "He who has not sinned, cast the first stone." To that line I stick by. It may have disappointed me at first, Lolo Krip, but, at the end of the day, you're still my grandfather, a grandfather whom I truly love. To all those who've gone too far with their remarks, I'll stand by you in your defense. Blood is thicker than water, they say. I love you, Lolo Krip.
Sorry. I've never plagiarized another's writing in my life. I don't know what kind of company you keep, to make you assume that everyone's plagiarized at some point or other. This has been argued before, maybe you missed it; like many other ills that occur frequently, the fact that it seems rampant still doesn't make it right.
And it doesn't make the right to call out that wrong (are you confused yet?) reserved strictly for those with "authority." Everyone, regardless of whether or not they have this perceived literary authority of which you speak, has both the ability to tell right from wrong, and the right to reward the former while punishing the latter. What you call the "extra backlash" (does such a thing even exist?) is simply the public's way of punishing bad behavior, and I am glad that it still does in a world where so much bad behavior is rewarded far too often.
Fortunately or unfortunately, none of us are his grandchildren, so we aren't evaluating him as a grandfather. Only you can do that and you obviously have. We, the public, are evaluating him the way he occurs to us: a literary luminary, colleague, writer, editor. Which is something you obviously are incapable of given your relationship to him. Maybe it will come, in time. The easiest way to see how the public sees it is this: if this were not your grandfather we were speaking of, would you be as passionate in your defense?
And it doesn't make the right to call out that wrong (are you confused yet?) reserved strictly for those with "authority." Everyone, regardless of whether or not they have this perceived literary authority of which you speak, has both the ability to tell right from wrong, and the right to reward the former while punishing the latter. What you call the "extra backlash" (does such a thing even exist?) is simply the public's way of punishing bad behavior, and I am glad that it still does in a world where so much bad behavior is rewarded far too often.
Fortunately or unfortunately, none of us are his grandchildren, so we aren't evaluating him as a grandfather. Only you can do that and you obviously have. We, the public, are evaluating him the way he occurs to us: a literary luminary, colleague, writer, editor. Which is something you obviously are incapable of given your relationship to him. Maybe it will come, in time. The easiest way to see how the public sees it is this: if this were not your grandfather we were speaking of, would you be as passionate in your defense?
Wow dear boy it is indeed sad that you make an assumption based on nothing but a wild guess that everyone has plagiarized one time or another. This time I will make an assumption - that because you said that, you are guilty as well of plagiarism at one time or another in your life & you are ok with it. How does that feel?
Your love for your Lolo is admirable & expected, being a relative. Your explanations & request though have much to be desired. Your Lolo got what he deserved. Deal with it.
Your love for your Lolo is admirable & expected, being a relative. Your explanations & request though have much to be desired. Your Lolo got what he deserved. Deal with it.
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- In the latest issue of UNO Magazine: The other Philippine football team
- Wednesday, July 6 2011
- Azkals coverage on InterAksyon
- Monday, July 4 2011
- From the Stands: PBA slowdown, college basketball on the rise
- Saturday, July 2 2011
- Azkals salvage draw against gritty Sri Lanka in World Cup qualifier
- Wednesday, June 29 2011
- Guess who’s broadcasting the Azkals’ World Cup qualifying match in Sri Lanka
- Monday, June 27 2011
- From the Stands: Gilas moving forward, and PBA Conference preview
- Saturday, June 11 2011
- Important announcement
- Wednesday, June 8 2011
- Smart Gilas places fourth in the 2011 FIBA-Asia Champions Cup
- Monday, June 6 2011
- From the Stands: A legacy of Alaska trades, and Smart Gilas rules
- Saturday, June 4 2011
- FIBA-Asia Champions Cup day 6: Casio, Douthit tow Smart Gilas to the semis
- Saturday, June 4 2011
- Dirk!
- Friday, June 3 2011
- FIBA-Asia Champions Cup day 5: Dondon Hontiveros shines against Jordan
- Wednesday, June 1 2011
- FIBA-Asia Champions Cup day 4: Mark Barroca saves the day for Smart Gilas
- Tuesday, May 31 2011
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