On the Fil-Am divide
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Agreed Filshams destroy the league, Filams make it more competitive. But i hope no discrimination though because they are also Filipinos
Agree with Rob. Even the #1 Fil am Hater Benjie Johnson- Paras is Fil-Australian.
The real story on why he benjie hates Fil ams is because his wife, jackie foster left him for some african-americans, which obviously has a bigger tool than him.
The PBA invasion thing is just a minor issue
The PBA invasion thing is just a minor issue
Dahil iniiskipan ko yung intro at binabasa ko lang yung gitna, bigla akong napanganga, hinanap ang picture ni jaemark sa google at napaisip...FilAm pala si Jaemark? Buti binasa ko ulit hehe.
Tsk tsk. Sad. Fil Foreigners are discriminated abroad. Here, local fans can't connect with them. Sakit pala maging tisoy.
I think Rob did the right thing by taking Bob Arum's statements and then just using them to launch into a far more interesting discussion on his own.
Arum called Donaire "out of his class" or "out of his league" in reference to comparisons with Pacquiao in the same interview, and when it comes to explaining Philippine society to us, Bob Arum is very clearly "out of his class." I understand he travels to the country regularly to attend Pacquiao's birthday parties, drop in on training and probably hangs around for sinister poker games with Chavit Singson. He still doesn't know what he's talking about. The categories of Filipino and Fil-Am he draws are too broad, yet he still manages to misapply them. Academics refer to Nonito has a 1.5-generation immigrant, someone who arrived in the States as a child and retains much of the cultural upbringing he received abroad. Some 1.5s can switch back and forth between national and cultural identities seamlessly. They seemingly have the best of both worlds. Others may feel stuck in limbo between two countries and two selves.
Donaire doesn't meet the criteria for the "typical" Fil-Am, a label that has more to do with perception than any objective reality. He may have picked up a little Cali swagger over the years, but from what I've heard (and taking into account that my Tagalog ear isn't as refined as a native speaker's) he speaks Tagalog basically like he never left the Philippines. Arum wouldn't be able to pick up on any of the nuances in how Donaire speaks or interacts with people. He sees where the two fighters are based and basically draws the distinction from there. It's hard to give credence to much of what he says about boxing, even, since he's always blowing smoke up someone's ass, and there's even less reason to take him seriously when he's wandered so far afield and starts talking about things he doesn't understand.
Arum called Donaire "out of his class" or "out of his league" in reference to comparisons with Pacquiao in the same interview, and when it comes to explaining Philippine society to us, Bob Arum is very clearly "out of his class." I understand he travels to the country regularly to attend Pacquiao's birthday parties, drop in on training and probably hangs around for sinister poker games with Chavit Singson. He still doesn't know what he's talking about. The categories of Filipino and Fil-Am he draws are too broad, yet he still manages to misapply them. Academics refer to Nonito has a 1.5-generation immigrant, someone who arrived in the States as a child and retains much of the cultural upbringing he received abroad. Some 1.5s can switch back and forth between national and cultural identities seamlessly. They seemingly have the best of both worlds. Others may feel stuck in limbo between two countries and two selves.
Donaire doesn't meet the criteria for the "typical" Fil-Am, a label that has more to do with perception than any objective reality. He may have picked up a little Cali swagger over the years, but from what I've heard (and taking into account that my Tagalog ear isn't as refined as a native speaker's) he speaks Tagalog basically like he never left the Philippines. Arum wouldn't be able to pick up on any of the nuances in how Donaire speaks or interacts with people. He sees where the two fighters are based and basically draws the distinction from there. It's hard to give credence to much of what he says about boxing, even, since he's always blowing smoke up someone's ass, and there's even less reason to take him seriously when he's wandered so far afield and starts talking about things he doesn't understand.
I don't think Fil-Ams are destroying the league. I think San Miguel and Air 21 are destroying the league. Hehehe.
i don't agree with raising the fil-ams' salaries in their 2nd year in the DLeague as it might add fuel to the fire (i.e. division between them and the locals). What I'd like to see is for Fil-Ams just to have a year of "residency" in the amateur league/s. The residency period used to be a year or a conference, right? why the change for a longer period?
and oh, nice one Bigpedro!
and oh, nice one Bigpedro!
truly, the entire 2 year residency in the Dleague is just a load of bull, when you look at the PBA right now, the most hardworking guys(not necessarily the most skilled) are the Fil-Fors, Harvey Carey, Kelly Williams, Jimmy Alapag, Asi Taulava(is this guy really 39 years old?), Jay Wash, Chris Ross and so on... whereas the locals are the ones that are usually accused as "wasted talent" or "no passion", I wont name a few of these locals but im pretty sure you guys already know who im hitting here.
To be quite honest, I wouldnt even mind if they allowed tall foreigners(yes, foreigners, guys without a hint of filipino blood in them). Just take a look at the NBA, the Euroleagues and the ABL. hell, take a look at football, people are just as passionate to their favored teams. regardless of the nationality of their players. Our world is changing, the easteners are moving to the west and the westeners are going to the east, this is a good thing since both will be able to share their ideas and cultures to the other, and will be able to expand their view on the world and will create new ideas that would help us make life more convenient.
To be quite honest, I wouldnt even mind if they allowed tall foreigners(yes, foreigners, guys without a hint of filipino blood in them). Just take a look at the NBA, the Euroleagues and the ABL. hell, take a look at football, people are just as passionate to their favored teams. regardless of the nationality of their players. Our world is changing, the easteners are moving to the west and the westeners are going to the east, this is a good thing since both will be able to share their ideas and cultures to the other, and will be able to expand their view on the world and will create new ideas that would help us make life more convenient.
arwind santos is starting to jack up threes from nowhere instead of going at it in the paint. (JWash too hehe).
You're correct, even Ali Peek is still playing at a high level in his 13th season.
There are "locals" too who play with such passion, to be fair. But not everyone is playing with passion I guess. They're usually the ones complaining. :p
You're correct, even Ali Peek is still playing at a high level in his 13th season.
There are "locals" too who play with such passion, to be fair. But not everyone is playing with passion I guess. They're usually the ones complaining. :p
bottom line is: there is too much discrimination in the PBA. any Filipino, may he/she be full-blooded, part-foreign, or even naturalized have the same rights and privileges as stated by law. hence, the PBA is breaking the law by discriminating on the said "other types" of Filipinos. LAW > PBA rules, not the other way around.
someone should really sue the PBA!!
someone should really sue the PBA!!
You know, it's pretty funny that we discriminate against foreigners (or even half-filipinos) coming to work in our country when millions of Filipinos are actually doing the same thing in other countries.
Globalization is here to stay guys. Adapt or become obsolete.
Globalization is here to stay guys. Adapt or become obsolete.


