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Rafe Bartholomew to new Pinoy soccer fans: No need to take cheap shots at basketball

Posted by Rafe Bartholomew on February 14, 2011 at 14:59 | Comments (108)
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Editor's note: This post was written by Rafe Bartholomew, author of Pacific Rims: Beermen Ballin' in Flip-Flops and the Philippines' Unlikely Love Affair with Basketball.

Let me get something out of the way up front: I am a basketball fanatic. I've played and followed the game my entire life, and with the publication of Pacific Rims last year, the sport has also been at the heart of my biggest achievement. The other half of this equation, of course, is the Philippines, a country that I've come to love as if it were my own. A major part of my relationship with the Philippines is the nation's relationship with basketball, which I found a great deal of inspiration in while devoting five years of my life to studying and writing about Pinoy hoops. So right now, let it be known and acknowledged: I write this from an unapologetically pro-basketball point-of-view.

The Philippine national soccer team has captivated the sports community over the past few months. I don't need to re-cap the Azkals' success in the Suzuki cup or their recent win over Mongolia, since both have been beaten to death in blogs, Tweets and the traditional sports media. Yay!

I meant that. The fact that Philippine soccer is improving and people are excited about the sport is great news. I wrote in Pacific Rims that although I loved basketball as much as just about anything in the world, more variety would be a good thing for the world of Pinoy athletics. There's no doubt that if sports aside from basketball were beloved in the Philippines, talented kids would be more likely to try their hand -- and maybe develop into world-class athletes -- at some pastime other than hoops. I played baseball, soccer and basketball as a child and chose which sport I liked most. I wish every kid from NYC to Aparri had a similar chance to choose.

So while I've enjoyed and taken pride in the Azkals' recent success, I've been pretty disappointed that so many people, from professional sports writers to casual fans on Twitter, have decided to turn soccer's success into basketball's loss. It doesn't need to be that way. It shouldn't be that way. There is definitely enough room in fans' hearts and imaginations to enjoy soccer and basketball, as well as other sports. I would argue that there's even enough funding. Even though the patronage model of funding that applies to much of the Pinoy sports landscape means that wealthy donors only have a pool of so much money to spend on sports, if tycoon/sportsmen like MVP and Mikee Romero believe they can gain exposure by sponsoring soccer along with basketball, they'll fit both into their budgets.

This is not a zero-sum game, but a lot of commentators have been treating it as one, so what I'm going to attempt to do here is defend Philippine basketball while also respecting and supporting Pinoy soccer. In the words of everyone's favorite half-Filipino celebrity, Rob Schneider, "You can do it!"

For starters, I don't think the Philippine basketball team gets the respect it deserves from sports writers and fans for its achievements in international competition. In a recent story, Inquirer sports columnist Ronnie Nathanielsz described the Azkals' recent success as an "unprecedented surge to prominence in the sport," by which he seems to mean world soccer. This was written before last week's win over Mongolia, so at that point all the team had done was beat Vietnam and play Indonesia tough in the Suzuki cup.

I'm not sure how the 151-ranked soccer team (the Philippines) in the world beating the 134-ranked team (Vietnam) and moving up one spot, from 152 to 151 in FIFA rankings qualifies as an unprecedented surge to prominence in soccer. And beating up on Mongolia, number 182, doesn't really prove that the Azkals are a team to be reckoned with. And that's fine. The Azkals' improvement and achievements are impressive for what they are. We can admire them for that, without the hype.

Let's compare these achievements with the RP team that represented the country in the 2009 FIBA Asia tournament (I'm using this team and not Smart Gilas in the 2010 Asian Games because Gilas is still a work in progress and I was able to see more of the 2009 squad). The RP team was pretty much shat on in the press for finishing eighth in the tournament. Yet the Philippines (currently ranked 53rd by FIBA) logged wins against Chinese Taipei and Japan, ranked 41 and 33, respectively, and played tournament champion Iran (ranked 20) as tough as almost any other team in Tianjin. It's hard to imagine the Azkals doing this well against similarly ranked FIFA teams, but I'm not saying we should expect them to. Maybe someday they'll be that good, but the Azkals' progress is impressive on its own terms. Let's also give Pinoy basketball players the credit they deserve, because they already are among the best in Asia.

Which leads me to this maddening old saw that just won't die: Filipinos aren't suited to basketball and stand a better chance at succeeding in soccer, where height is not as important to success. Jaemark has already done stellar work debunking this, but here it is once again, now being touted by none other than Carlos Conde, one of the Philippines' most prominent journalists and the country's stringer for The New York Times. I admire Conde's reporting on Philippine politics and breaking news, among other subjects, but I think he's gone off the deep end with a recent post on his Asian Correspondent page:

If Filipinos can be as supportive and encouraging as the Bacolod crowd, soccer should have no problem becoming popular in the Philippines. As many Twitter users pointed out last night, soccer is more suited to Filipinos than basketball. ... And folks were exchanging jokes about the future of the Philippine Basketball Association. Journalist Kenneth Guda wrote on Facebook: ”Suddenly lots of Pinoys have become football fans. By the way, there’s a PBA tonight. Anybody watching? ;-). To which a friend replied: “Basketball? What’s that?”

OK, let's cut Conde some slack here because he was writing as a casual fan and not a journalist, and in no way implied that his post was a rigorously reported piece. Still, since he's a real luminary in the national media scene, his voice -- even his casual voice -- carries a lot of weight, and I wish he hadn't suggested that Filipinos are naturally more suited to soccer than basketball simply because his Tweeps seem to think so.

Likewise, I enjoy a good joke at the PBA's expense as much as the next guy, but the one Conde quotes is not very good. It's not even true. There was no PBA game on at the same time as the Azkals-Mongolia match. Let's put it this way: If Conde or his Times colleagues Seth Mydans or Norimitsu Onishi end up writing for the Gray Lady about soccer's new prominence in the Philippines and the article resembles this, I'll be writing a letter to complain.

What gets my goat more than anything else, however, has been the way that the Azkals' success has been turned into yet another cudgel with which commentators can beat up on Fil-Am basketball players. Apparently, Fil-European athletes are more palatable to Pinoy fans than Fil-Ams because they're more gentlemanly, or "gallant," as Nathanielsz recently described them. Here's more from another Nathanielsz column:

The other key factor, we believe, is the character of the players who are mostly from Europe and have imbibed a different culture from the Filipino-Americans who demonstrate their skill in the PBA. ... In a British educational system which brothers Philip and James Younghusband and Chris Greatwich surely enjoyed, they teach young men to first and foremost be gentlemen.

In America, from what we know, the accent is on how to get ahead and do well financially. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that except that the difference is eventually palpable and being suddenly exposed to Fil-Europeans ... our fans have warmed to the difference.

Some of this analysis I find genuinely offensive. The bit about the American education system is wrong -- the U.S. press has focused recently on how the country's schools don't really prepare young Americans for anything, although I would personally agree with the statement that American values are overly focused on getting rich. What really makes me want to bash my head against my keyboard is the idea that Fil-Ams, because they aren't genteel Europeans, are somehow lower class.

I don't know what part of the British class structure the Younghusbands come from. They could be from Eton or London's East End. But most Filipino Americans come from the U.S. middle and working classes, and it sounds like the writer somehow deems them poorly bred compared to Fil-foreigners from Europe. I'm from the middle class -- my father is a bartender, my mother was a cook who put herself through college and graduate school one course at a time until she became an administrator at a local college. Somehow, I managed to overcome my service industry roots and get a decent education, and my parents -- miraculously, I suppose -- were able to turn me into something less than a hoodlum. Can I layer any more sarcasm into those sentences? If so, I'd like to.

Seriously, though, the issue of Fil-Ams in Philippine basketball is a fraught one, filled with misunderstandings and miscommunication committed by both local Pinoys and Fil-Ams. Certainly not all Fil-Am basketball players are great guys; neither are all locals. But to suggest that their education or upbringing was somehow deficient because they didn't go to private schools or they aren't rich, well that's wrong.

If the Azkals' Fil-foreign players are finding easier acceptance than PBA Fil-Ams do nowadays, I can venture a few guesses as to why. First, the media loves them. Writers go out of their way to argue that the Azkal's foreign-born players show the Pinoy trait of loving their families. Isn't that a pretty universal value? Granted, I'd be willing to grant that Filipino families are generally tighter-knit than American families, but Fil-Am families tend to preserve that closeness. Does anyone doubt how important Ryan Reyes's family is to him after the tragedy they suffered last month?

Second, I think Filipino fans may find it easier to accept foreign-born athletes in soccer because most Pinoys still see the sport as somewhat foreign, and definitely more foreign than basketball, which is, to borrow from Nick Joaquin's riff on supposedly "Spanish" adobo, "as Filipino as the Pinoy's guts." Basketball is such a part of so many Filipinos' lives that when people see Fil-Ams representing the country and losing, they wonder "can't we get somebody who was born here to do that?" Finally, let's see how this plays out over the next ten years. Fil-Ams were all the rage in Philippine basketball in the days of Vince Hizon, young Jeff Cariaso, Rommel Santos and the Lago brothers. Perceptions change over time, and the media, in constant search of storylines, can turn on athletes, especially those born or raised outside of the Philippines.

Regardless of perceptions, I hope that the Younghusbands and the other talented Fil-Euro booters currently playing for or soon to join the Azkals have a similar effect on Philippine soccer as Fil-Ams have had on basketball--that is, raising the level of play and forcing local talent to adapt and improve. Thanks to them, Philippine soccer can only get stronger.

So there you have it. Instead of One Big Fight between soccer and basketball fans, I'm calling for One Giant Kumbaya: Can't we all just get along? The Azkals are achieving something exciting. They deserve the support and praise of Filipino fans. PBA players, SMART Gilas players, UAAP and NCAA players, and while we're at it, Inter-Barangay players--they're all part of a great tradition of Philippine basketball, and they too deserve praise and support.

Rafe's book Pacific Rims is still available online and at bookstores across the Philippines. Check out his blog at RafeBartholomew.com.
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#1 Joboy on 2011-02-14 15:12 (Reply)
Tumpak!
#1.1 nobody on 2011-02-14 17:33 (Reply)
I am also a basketball fanatic as evidenced by my following this blog. (hehe). I agree on many points Rafe raised in his article but the "cheap shots" on basketball I think is a symptom of a bigger issue - our collective frustration and disillusionment with our basketball institutions. One compelling argument is the PBA. We Filipinos take pride with our professional league but the perception is that PBA seems to be always hesitant to take the cudgels for the national team. It does not help that there is this growing negative perception about the PBA- becoming a league of just three or four teams, violations of salary caps, foreign players pretending to have Filipino blood, premium on winning etc etc.. Salud initially turning down the Gilas team from playing in the PBA because it would mess up their calendar also made matters worse (now where is the love for the national team). Then we hear news that the players of Gilas themselves are assured of fat contracts just to agree to play for the national team which unfairly adds to the perception that our basketball players are nothing but a bunch of kids playing for money. The list goes on and that includes the contentious and divisive leadership struggles between BAP and SBP;.and the inability to qualify for the Olympics. Our leaders must be reminded of the Azkals scenario. A bunch of athletes, playing with basically nothing, just for the pride and glory of the sport and the country. Basketball must be treated more than a brand, it must be a source of pride for all of us. After all, that's what Pacquiao always claim, that he is fighting for his countrymen. And his countrymen loves him the most..
#1.1.1 triggerJr1178 on 2011-02-15 21:45 (Reply)
Pak!! that's was a goal buddy...you hit it right. Nothing wrong with basketball itself..PBA players should share their talents for the love of my country...our country for us to love them back...
#1.1.2 quezonian on 2011-02-16 10:27 (Reply)
you hit man! nice shot!
#1.1.3 kaduy on 2011-02-17 18:53 (Reply)
GOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2 Taleweaver on 2011-02-14 15:21 (Reply)
Go Rafe! I feel the same way.

a lot of my friends are on football's side. I keep telling them they should not basketball. Everyone wins with both sports.
#3 brig on 2011-02-14 15:27 (Reply)
I'm a huge football fan, but basketball will always be my first love. Kumbaya! :D

Also, why Nathanielsz has a job is one of Philippine society's great unsolvable mysteries. Just boggles the mind.
#3.1 Chryssie on 2011-02-15 21:42 (Reply)
LOL @ the Nathanielsz comment. So true. Please don't think that his statements represent what the majority of new Pinoy soccer fans think. :)
#4 Mysterious Blue Eagle Man `97 on 2011-02-14 15:29 (Reply)
Excellent point Rafe.

Would have been nice to add that a major reason why we rank so low is because for the better part of a decade in the late 90s, the BAP was sending Barangay league level teams to international tournaments which made for a major drop in rankings.

And just as we were starting to climb in the 2000s, the BAP-SBP fiasco saw us suspended for a few years which also

Because some of those teams above us on that rankings table would have a hard time against even some of our UAAP or NCAA teams on their worst day.
#4.1 jaemark on 2011-02-14 15:42 (Reply)
hindi naman sa ume-epal (dahil blog ko 'to, hehe), but in my older article about basketball and football which Rafe linked to, I did point out that our basketball ranking is artificially low because the national federation was in such a mess for a long time.
#4.1.1 Mysterious Blue Eagle Man `97 on 2011-02-14 17:21 (Reply)
Whoops. Missed that. Sorry.

Yeah, I actually remember reading that. I was just wishing it was spelled out cause I've been forwarding this to fellow Hoops and Azkals fans. Hehehe.

By the way, i deleted the ending of one of my paragraphs. it was supposed to read "also likely knocked us down several ranking placements."
#5 gilasinsider on 2011-02-14 15:55 (Reply)
Great article by Rafe.

those fil-am trashing by ronnie N is kinda dumb though. he's probably just pissed cause japeth doesn't mind him anymore.
but seriously, i hope our fans aren't being superficial and just joining this bandwagon of the azkals cause they're all goodlooking or something. heard from some friends who are members of the team that it was unfair for some of them who were training for 6 months before that afc tourney then alot of them just got kicked out cause of those fil-foreign players who showed up.

but why is everyone so hot on this team? we can't even make it to the finals of a southeast asian tournament. we beat a mongolian team... a team that uh.. hasn't won in years or something. while for basketball, we've been killin in southeast asia so bad that they are about to send college students to the next tournament. (even our women's team is now queen of southeast asia bball).

im filipino, i would love for the soccer team to succeed more than anything but i just cant stand the hating on the bball team.
#6 LegendHarry on 2011-02-14 16:45 (Reply)
magaling!
#7 Shawn Santos on 2011-02-14 17:42 (Reply)
The fact that your blog title is stepping on someone else to gain popularity is pathetic. Every article in here shows that you are a man without honor or decency who will stop at nothing to be in the limelight. How can anyone take you seriously? This is so mediocre and it's getting old. Your personality fits a gossip column more than a sports column.
#7.1 jaemark on 2011-02-14 17:53 (Reply)
well, happy valentine's day to you too!
#7.1.1 LegendHarry on 2011-02-14 18:29 (Reply)
lol saan galing yan?
#8 Free Man on 2011-02-14 19:14 (Reply)
If not for you fucking American bastards colonizing our country, football would have been big here in the Philippines. And stop calling it soccer, whiteboy! It's foot-fuckin-ball! Fuck your NFL!!!!! That's not football!! People like you who believe that the Philippines will have a chance in the international stage of basketball are stupid, and so are the million of Filipinos, including the fatboy writer of this blog, rooting for the Smart Gilas team! We are not a giant race and hell yeah height is might! Fuck that old adage of height doesn't matter because in the game of basketball, it does matter. Filipinos are not gifted with height! It just goes to show that many Filipinos have short attention spans because many of us are highly influenced of the American way of living which is full of crap and boastfulness similar to your basketball! Basketball is a team sport but in reality people watch it not because of the team work but because of that one man who can score at will, fuck that! Once and for all, basketball is not for the Filipinos, why the heck force it! Stop fooling yourselves into thinking that basketball are for Filipinos!
#8.1 Sa kanto ng Recto on 2011-02-14 20:55 (Reply)
Height is might also in football. Try putting a 5'5 goalie in place of the 6'2 Ethridge. Sa Kangkungan tayo pupulutin.
#8.1.1 kaduy on 2011-02-17 19:00 (Reply)
you obviously don't know football. ive coached and played football. trust me, what you said isn't true. please try to watch more football before you say that
#8.2 Mr. Olats on 2011-02-14 23:03 (Reply)
Kulang ka pa sa exclamation point.
#8.3 Pinoy 80s Child Star on 2011-02-14 23:40 (Reply)
LOL U MAD
#8.4 Lee on 2011-02-15 08:47 (Reply)
so much angst. I hate to tell you this (NOT) but you should broaden your perspective, man, or you won't be able to keep up with the times.

Or you could always try to go back to the Cenozoic era. Either that or just get yourself a punching bag and a date with your local psychologist.
#9 castor on 2011-02-14 19:54 (Reply)
if they played basketball like soccer this is what would happen:
- every dribble, stolen
- every shot, missed by a mile
- every pass, out of bounds
- ten minutes to get the ball past halfcourt
- first team to hit a freethrow wins the game
#10 Reality on 2011-02-14 19:59 (Reply)
Even without football honestly people have become bored of basketball

I myself was a basketball fan in Highschool, now I think Why the heck did I like basketball.

I'm a baseball and football fan even without the hype
And I love the azkals

its not cheap shots its REALITY
#11 gp3 on 2011-02-14 22:55 (Reply)
Ugh please. We put up with all this basketball talk year in and year out. Now everyone has realized that there's more to life than one over-hyped sport. DEAL.
#12 Rafe on 2011-02-14 23:05 (Reply)
I recognize the futility of this, but here goes nothing. To the guy who thinks that the most tragic legacy of American colonialism in the Philippines is that the country never fell in love with soccer, are you insane? While the Philippines is currently more competitive in international basketball than world soccer, if the only thing that matters is "having a chance on the international stage," then we should pack up both sports and lock them away, because the chances of the Philippines qualifying for an Olympic basketball tourney or the World Cup anytime soon aren't so hot. The issue in both sports isn't physical attributes, although I'd be willing to entertain the argument that Pinoys have greater potential in soccer because of the height issue, I just think it may take a century or two to reach it. Then again, in 2211 we might all be dressing like Cee-Lo Green at the Grammy Awards.

I think it's fair to say that basketball's popularity in the Philippines has dipped, especially as a spectator sport. The country is no longer in the palm of the PBA's hand. I don't think that's because people have gone gaga over soccer. Basketball's dip predates the Azkals and has more to do with changes in technology and society. The Philippines -- and the rest of the world -- is more urban now, and more people have more access to satellite cable, the Internet and all the rest of that "World is Flat" stuff. In basketball's heyday, the sport was basically force-fed to the country, and like foie-gras, it produced something a lot of people found delicious, but I think even the most ardent hoops supporters, myself included, would admit that the more numerous opportunities for entertainment and recreation are an advantage of living in today's society over the past.

Someone made a nice point about people's perceptions of basketball players -- including SMART Gilas national team members -- as only in it for the money. Some athletes, like some members of any group, only care about money. I know no one likes to hear this, but athletes need to look out for themselves, and I don't think that many of them really play for the fans. They play for competitive glory and for money, and that doesn't bother me. These guys sacrifice a lot -- time that many of us spent studying or doing something else to develop our careers, athletes spent training to become the best at their sport. Their bodies are their livelihoods, and they are fragile. Their careers are short-lived. If athletes didn't speak up for themselves and demand whatever payment they can get, their patrons would probably exploit them and let them play for room and board and a rental car with a driver.

To more directly address the commenter's point, I do not know for sure, but I bet that Azkal players are being pretty well-compensated, especially the Fil-foreigners who are being flown in to play. It may not be through salary, but I suspect that if it were not worth their time financially to play for the Azkals, they wouldn't do it. And that's how it should be. If the Philippine Football Federation can't support the Azkals, then their corporate sponsors should; the players are serving their country well and making a lot of people pride, and they deserve the notoriety and financial rewards that come with that.

Finally, and this is probably the most futile hope of all, especially on a comments thread, but one more time, the whole point of my piece was a plea for civility. I tried not to take anything away from the Azkals and their achievements. I merely believe that we can celebrate Philippine soccer's rise without leveling a bunch of baseless and uninformed attacks on basketball.
#12.1 Regnard Raquedan on 2011-02-15 00:04 (Reply)
Hi Rafe,

Nice post to call for a truce among basketball and football fans.

I'm a lifelong basketball fan, but I'm now more interested in football, particularly in the Philippine setting. Why? Simply because PH football is fresh and PH basketball (represented by the PBA) is not.

Also, I think people like me recognize that we are in a position to help establish football as a major Filipino sport, ie make a contribution to the PH sports.

It's rather unfortunate that the PBA is taking a beating from football's rise, but I think the PBA put themselves in this position-- their product needs massive improvement. This becomes even more magnified because of the PBA's stature are the prime sports league in the country.
#12.2 red_devil on 2011-02-15 12:08 (Reply)
First of all, I admire your noble intention of calling for a truce and acknowledging and embracing the fact that both sports can and SHOULD coexist in the country... i, myself, am a huge football fan. ive loved it since i was in grade school... ive loved basketball too since i was even younger... over time, though, i found that football was my sport and that while i might enjoy basketball immensely (im addicted to fantasy basketball, i join basketball ligas and play a lot, and i talk about and watch basketball pretty much everyday, etc.), my love for basketball will always fall a little bit short of my passion for football...

with that said, id just like to offer my view on the topic.. i grew up watching the PBA in the 90s, and i enjoyed it a lot. the rivalries, the personalities, the legends all contributed to making the games, especially the playoffs a spectacle. as time wore on, though, i started getting disillusioned with the PBA. i cannot pinpoint when exactly this feeling started, or when i began to lose interest little by little. someone already mentioned the time when lots of players started pretending to have filipino blood and the controversies that ensued from that might have tainted my love for the league. add to that the fact that some teams in the pba these days really just swap players, (most in trades that dont really make sense), thereby creating superpower teams that pretty much overpower smaller teams without as much financial backing.

ive always supported the national team, though, and i love whats happening with Smart Gilas. i will always maintain my love for basketball, much less pinoy basketball! i look forward to the days when we can truly challenge the powers of Asia such as full strength Chinese, Japanese, Korean teams, etc in big, important tournaments. as it stands now, im sure we'll put up a good fight but i really do not believe that we have what it takes to succeed in the international level just yet and it might take some time still (at least at the levels we expectant fans hope and pray we reach, such as at the Asian Games or qualify for the world championships or the olympics). this is where the critics of basketball usually come in and argue that that time will never come because we pinoys are simply not built to play basketball. we're simply too small, etc. i must concede that that is indeed a fair point, and this, too is where the fil-ams come in. they can come in and provide a boost in terms of size, strength and atheleticism that might not be readily available in the purely local national pool. bobby parks has come out and said that he wants his son to play for the national team, and his son is a 6'4" point guard of considerable skill. and that kid is definitely one for the future, hopefully hed be a good addition to the national team down line if he continues to develop.

the same goes true for the Azkals. these fil-european and fil-am players playing for them now have been educated in football since they were young, having been part of different football academies. the younghusbands were products of the chelsea footbally academy in england. academies pretty much scour the globe for talent, plucking kids as young as even 8 or 10 yrs old. they offer these kids not only a footballing education, but academic as well. lionel messi, by far the best player in the world by now, was plucked from argentina by the arguably best academy in the world right now, barcelona's, when he was a youngster, around 13 yrs old i believe. just like there are systems in basketball that coaches put in place in teams (such as the triangle and princeton offenses), football is pretty much the same way. if you watch them play, barcelona plays beautiful, free flowing football and how their first team plays is how the youngsters in their academy are taught. messi was no different, he was taught this system and style of play at a young age and that is definitely one of the reasons why he is the best player on the planet right now. the same goes for xavi hernandez, andres iniesta, pedro, carles puyol (all world class players playing for barcelona's first team), and other products of this terrific academy. this is what breeds success in football: a grassroots program that scouts young players and trains and develops them from a young age, and that is precisely what is lacking in our country. what we do not have is a program dedicated to training and developing youth players. if you compare the country's systems for basketball and football, there can be no comparison. basketball will always have the funding and the scouting and a good amount of money is spent on finding and developing young talent. this would be pretty much non existent for football, though.

what the azkals provide is a platform for which a program such as this can be developed. they provide attention and backing and support for a sport that deserves it, especially in this country.

in football, home and away games are a staple. unlike basketball which utilizes a best of 5 or best of 7 format, football uses a 2-game format, which uses the aggregate score over both legs (with away goals given greater weight in event that there is a tie score line after both legs are over). im sure a lot of you know that in the same way that the basketball governing bodies have been warring with each other, the same has been happening for football. politics prevented us from playing the home leg of our semi-final against indonesia in Panaad stadium in bacolod, despite it really being a more than good enough venue for the match. we had to play OUR HOME GAME IN INDONESIA. i am SURE that the basketball team would never in a million years have to suffer a similar fate. i also read that for that trip to vietnam for the suzuki cup, the philippine football federation did not even offer transportation, lodging allowance to the azkals, and friends and sponsors all had to chip in for ALL of their expenses. i also read that even after our win against win against vietnam, the PFF officials at that time did not even text or call them to congratulate them. I am sure that, again, this would be unthinkable for even the smart gilas team. and all this after FIFA (world football's governing body) allegedly gives us hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to develop football within the country. where has all that money gone, i wonder?

i am not, by any means, saying that ALL of the hype about the azkals and the comments bashing basketball are at all justified. basketball should be left alone. support for pinoy hoops should continue, theres no doubt about that. it is also my firm belief that expectations for the azkals should be tempered. in response to your question as to why people are going gaga over the number 151 ranked team in the world beating the 134th team, it is simply because that result was the single best and biggest result in the history of the philippine football team for the past 80-100 years, and that gives us something to be happy about. however, we must not forget that we are the 151st ranked team in the world. and to even break into the top 100, we need a good development program for football in the country. fireworks should not be bursting out of panaad stadium after every win over a fellow minnow country. spend the fireworks money instead on scouting players, hiring good coaches, on extending football's reach all over the country. lets applaud the azkals for their achievements, and commend them on their "gentlemanly" nature, but we should not take digs on basketball, fil-am players, if they are thoroughly undeserved.

both sports deserve the limelight, and i really do believe that given the right support, management, development and a tremendous amount of luck, both sports could flourish and we would have more than just manny pacquiao to be proud of in the international sporting scene.
#12.2.1 Regnard Raquedan on 2011-02-15 12:45 (Reply)
Hi red_devil,

Very well said. I share a lot of your sentiments.

I guess Filipinos see a Cinderalla story in the Azkals, whether there's a happy ending or not, only time will tell.
#13 carlopongkie on 2011-02-14 23:44 (Reply)
amen sir Rafe!

ang basketball kumbaga e first love ng pinoy..

at first love never dies..

pusta ko kahit pumasok sa world cup ang azkals sa basketball pa rin hahantong ang lahat ng usapan.. sana nga lang e hindi lang isang FAD ang nangyayaring ito sa football.. sana may follow through na mangyare..

HAPPY VALENTINES TO ALL!
#14 gilazkals on 2011-02-14 23:57 (Reply)
fascinating article by rafe.

We can't blame some of our countrymen why they are embracing football than basketball.The best answer is the Philippine squad dismal performance in international arena..Second many of us believes that we are basketball capital of Asia and we can't afford to lose against football and cricket nations..

At least sa football filipino fans knows the limitation of our national team, less expectation, every game is unpredictable even low scoring, we learn that hardwork pays-off, kahit hirap maka-goal ang mga players nakipagpatayan and don't mind kung ma-injury, like neil etheridge na mas malaki ang salary compare sa highest paid PBA superstars ay willing mag-sacrifice for a national cause..

Infairness to Gilas pilipinas they did a good job to exert effort to save the future of Philippine basketball..Despite the consecutive success of Azkal football team kahit papano natauhan ang PBA and realize that the major success of discipline lies on the national cause..

Without national team walang PBA.... Philippine basketball is not about barangay Ginebra. alone..kahit famous ballclub sila minority lang po ang fans nila...They are not the Anejo rhum and Toyota during the old days of PBA. .kahit ibalik natin si Big Jawo ngayon hindi na maibabalik and dati.

Today the Philippine football is the new version of micaa and PBA na sinasamba ng mga tao ngayon.

Thanks to the new commissioner Chito Salud na mas open minded and welcomes innovation than his predecessor Reynold Barrios..Kung hindi nya pinalitan si Barrios baka bumagsak na ng tuluyan ang basketball sa Pilipinas.
#15 Miggy on 2011-02-15 02:21 (Reply)
Dear Rafe and Jaemark,

Since there is already a firequinito I was thinking of starting a blog called DEPORTRONNIE but I don't think I'd be able to do justice to the name. Anybody think its a good idea?

Best Regards, Miggy
#16 APE on 2011-02-15 02:36 (Reply)
I cant stand to watch football/soccer. I mean, you sit on a game for about 2 hrs. What do you get out of it? a score of nil-nil (0-0). Like you wish to have 2 hours of your life back.

Lets face it, part of the Azkals success is the fact that these boys are the media's eye candy. Younghusband is already a major item on showbiz talk shows and shit. I wont be surprised if he joins Pinoy Big Brother and eventually become tired of playing soccer and quit.
#16.1 pepe on 2011-02-15 20:33 (Reply)
Good news buddy: the knockout stages of the UEFA Champions League, aka the most famous annual football tournament, is starting this week. It's where each team wants to deny the other team a goal, and visiting teams would do anything just to earn just a single one.

Aggregate scoring in football = a very clever device to accentuate the importance of a goal!

This coming from a Portland Trailblazer diehard.
#17 anonymus on 2011-02-15 04:14 (Reply)
O.T. --- -speaking of basketball and football, is Neil Etheridge the long lost brother of Sonny Thoss???
#18 aze on 2011-02-15 08:42 (Reply)
yup we need unity.
#19 poponuts on 2011-02-15 09:55 (Reply)
I'll say it on behalf of jaemark and rafe: WE ALL HATE RONNIE NATHANIELSZ or whatever his surname is...

He is a piece of junk, a fair-weather fan, a hypocrite (ref: Marcos days), and a gold-digger of Philippine sports!
#19.1 roydia on 2011-02-17 16:59 (Reply)
yup yup yup! Mr. Nathaneilz was a Marcos tuta!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBZqHvuBBzc
#20 ginkings30 on 2011-02-15 13:13 (Reply)
guys,

this is a sports blog, but we all know the author is a big fan of basketball, which means most of the articles here are about basketball (i think this blog is about basketball and others).. so I don't get it why the hell people still visit this blog and bash basketball... not to defend this blog or anything, but if you would want to follow football instead, go find another site to blog dedicated to football!

second, I also don't get it why people here are bashing basketball just because the azkals are winning.. are you guys trying to destroy basketball to make filipinos love football instead? you are idiots! just let the filipinos love basketball win or lose... the same way you still love the azkals after they loss to indonesia in the suzuki cup, a country we can beat anytime in basketball...

and lastly, if you love philippine sports, do this country a favor and stop bashing one sport or the other.. those filipinos who love basketball, let them be.. same goes to those who love football... no need to destroy basketball for people to love football, and vice versa.. we all have our preferences.. what we love to do, what we love to play.. in short, lets make the most out of the word RESPECT!
#21 pepe on 2011-02-15 20:27 (Reply)
Jeez guys, stop calling it soccer! It's disgusting and is characteristically American. Don't tell me that it was coined by a Brit..who the hell calls rugby football 'rugger' now?
#22 Bryan on 2011-02-15 21:03 (Reply)
Very well said. Hats off!
#23 angelo on 2011-02-15 21:28 (Reply)
Pls for god's sake, stop calling it soccer, it is football!! pls don't get americanized i have been a football fan for years and i know that being a football fans is more passionate than being a basketball fan, watch the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULs46-YJyMQ&feature=related
#24 Ground control to Major Tom on 2011-02-15 21:41 (Reply)
basketball or football, such a debate shouldn't even exist.
both sports promote unity, ph football and ph basketball has never thrown dirt at the other, they even share the same misfortunes, BAP and PFF.

why choose when you can have both? and if you really. don't like the other, then there's no need to be volatile against it. It's not like both institutions are faking money from the government anyway, at worst the only thing that you're giving them is your attention.
#25 Chryssie on 2011-02-15 21:53 (Reply)
Prior to beating Vietnam, the Azkals got Singapore in a draw, and Singapore was one of the stronger teams at the Suzuki Cup. That's actually what started the "Cinderella Story."

(off-topic: gawd, your captcha's/strings are hella difficult)
#26 manonood on 2011-02-15 21:57 (Reply)
i didn't realize there was a crab-mentality of pulling one sport down over the other. can't we be positive for once and be happy for the success of our countrymen? we should be more appreciative of accomplishments like these in lieu of all the recent negative politics & brazen criminilaty all over the news.

peace to all!
#27 Rafe on 2011-02-15 22:34 (Reply)
I'm American. Is it OK for me to call it soccer? Somewhere along the way, I've been thoroughly Americanized.
#28 Louie on 2011-02-15 23:20 (Reply)
As long as basketball continues to get the lion's share of sports funding and media coverage in our country, then the rift between basketball and other sports (including football) will continue to exist in the foreseeable future.

I frankly can't blame football fans from taking cheapshots at basketball. Basketball has gotten all the support and attention to the detriment of other more deserving sports. But for the past 40 years or so, what have our basketball teams accomplished in the international stage? Nothing but disappointment and heartbreaks.

We've wasted countless money, effort and hard work on a sport that we can no longer compete in the Asian level, due to the rising dominance of Arab nations. We used to bully the likes of Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar, etc. before the turn of the century but recently, they've been destroying our best professional players. Iran, China, Japan and South Korea has sent players to the NBA while our basketball-crazed nation has yet to see even one Filipino player given a tryout for an NBA team.

The author's comparison between the recent achievements of Smart Gilas and Azkals is way off base. First of all, FIFA ranks 202 nations while FIBA ranks only 75 countries. Second, football/soccer is more popular worldwide than basketball, thus the competition is tougher and international success is more elusive. The World Cup qualifications alone featured 205 national teams. Sadly, the Philippines is one of only four FIFA member countries that didn't participate in the World Cup qualifications.

The author also mentions Fil-foreign football players as more acceptable than Fil-foreign basketball players. This is because many (not all) Fil-foreign basketball players don't show the love and respect for flag and country. The Fil-shams controversy is just one example. These Fil-shams, despite knowing they are not really Filipinos, fake their documents so that they can play in the PBA. The arrival of Fil-foreign basketball players was exciting while it lasts, but people get tired of it because these players are playing for the money first, the fans second, and the country last. Asi Taulava is an exception because he is one of the most patriotic Fil-foreign athletes around.

"Can't we all just get along?" We can. But it will take a long time. Please get out of your myopic basketball mentality and start appreciating other sports like football. Then we can get along.
#28.1 gp3 on 2011-02-17 19:44 (Reply)
AMEN! This perfectly encapsulates my very same sentiments.
#29 introoder on 2011-02-16 01:09 (Reply)
its high time to establish a professional football league here in the philippines. not just in manila but in the national level. continue to sustain the momentum of football. build/upgrade stadiums and football academies for kids. these football academies somehow could help solve our education problems. kids not only learn and improve in football but they get basic and quality education as what public/private schools are offering. once they graduate in universities, they tend to continue playing football since there will be a professional league.

grassroots level for football should be observed.

as for basketball.... nah, no comment. time and time again it just gave us nothing but heartbreaks.
#30 Xabier on 2011-02-16 01:31 (Reply)
*Fil-foreign footballers are definitely gentlemen while Fil-Sham basketball players are rude.

*It's football, not soccer.

*The Spaniards introduced football to our county in the latter years of colonial period. The Philippine government should strengthen the diplomatic relation with Spain, and the Philippine Football Federation should establish strong partnership with the Royal Spanish Football Federation. Also, we should celebrate and popularize Filipino-Spanish friendship day on June 30 and Dia de la Hispanidad on October 12.

*We should reduce and minimize American influence in Philippine sports by not airing basketball games, and deport those Fil-sham basketball players from our country.

P.S. Why don't we support the Phl Volcanoes rugby union team alongside with Phl Azkals? Our rugby team have more achievements than the basketball team nowadays.
#30.1 Arielle on 2011-02-16 02:11 (Reply)
"Why don't we support the Phl Volcanoes rugby union team alongside with Phl Azkals?"

Rugby is also football but with different rules, right? As a football fan, I also support the Volcanoes as a matter of principle. But my heart belongs to the dogs. =)
#30.2 rex on 2011-02-16 11:10 (Reply)
The term "Soccer" originated in England from way, way, way back.

To quote:

"It dates all the way back to 1863, when the Football Association was first founded. It became known as Association Football, to differentiate it from Rugby Football, prevalent at the time. The 3rd, 4th, and 5th letters of association were taken and it was called SOCcer for short. So technically, soccer is a slightly more correct term that football is. Go figure."
#31 Mike on 2011-02-16 01:40 (Reply)
I'm glad that you're writing about this, but I wish you wrote about this when basketball fans were taking cheap shots on football fans.

By the way, if you want to know why the Fil-foreigners in football got that much love from the locals compared to the Fil-Ams of the PBA. You only have to look at the the PBA finals.

It's not about being a fil-foreigner or being local, it's the attitude of the team.

With more than a minute to go, against TNT in Game 6, and trailing by only what, 13 points? SMB gave up.

That's not the case in football. Leading by one against Mongolia, the Azkals--Fil-foreigners, locals,--didn't let up. They kept pushing. Same thing against Timor Leste in 2004, same thing against Laos in the AFF Suzuki Cup qualifiers. The

Azkals have that never-quit attitude. The same with Pacquiao. You can't say the same thing about the PBA players
#31.1 gilazkals on 2011-02-16 02:20 (Reply)
i agree with you louie and Mike.

when Smb gave up same thing din about Smart Gilas after ma-thrown out sa game si Marcus Douhit and the egyptians start trailing them behind 8pts nag give up sila agad like Chris tiu,..he wait for the time na mamatay....

It is ridiculous to hear that our country is a basketball craze, but it is unfortunate na we never send a first pinoy nba player....kung i compare natin sa roster ng Azkal some of these half breds are playing in the English premier league kahit reserve lang, eh sa nba kahit pinoy na bangko reserve ay wala.
#31.1.1 Sa kanto ng Recto on 2011-02-16 07:00 (Reply)
This is why people should do their research first before making sweeping comments. Raymond Townsend - former NBA player, UCLA Ncaa Champion, FIl-Am.

Link: http://www.asianjournal.com/galing-pinoy/59-galing-pinoy/924-raymond-townsend-first-pinoy-nba-player-.html

Hail To Gilas
Hail to The Azkals

Peace!
#32 Alexmaton on 2011-02-16 02:02 (Reply)
Sir please don't use the word Soccer it's really irritating. It only shows that we are really westernized (or better yet American diehard followers), for Gods sake the right term for the sport is Football and it's the Americans fault for always coming up with their own standards/names whatsoever - they don't really want to conform with the rest of the world, they always want to have their own version of everything. And for those who are saying that in football height matters, yes height does matter for the Goal Keeper but for the rest of the 10 member squad it is not because in football, the ball is, most of the time, in the ground and not in the air so, it's only the speed, agility, and strategy that matters most in the said sport. Moreover, please may I ask you sir not to compare the achievements of both Phil. Football and Basketball because it would be very unfair. Take note that in the Philippines, Basketball has been around for many decades (with all the supports, financially etc.) while the Football, alhough has been around for decades also, but has been out or should I say had been disregarded(in all aspects) for a very long time so, it's unjust and very insulting to compare them side by side. However, I agree with you that both sports should co-exist and now it's up to the fans who will they adore more.
#33 Frances Deniel on 2011-02-16 06:43 (Reply)
There is no future in Philippine basketbol!

Football! Football!
#34 Regnard Raquedan on 2011-02-16 08:36 (Reply)
The comments in this blog post are getting more ignorant. I guess this is what Rafe was talking about.

Granted, this is football's time to shine, but to totally dismiss basketball is just plain stupid.

One commenter hit it in the nail: PBA players (and the league) seem to have lost heart. Why? Maybe because there's another season after this one.

Again, my beef really stems from my disenchantment with the PBA.
#35 xxx on 2011-02-16 08:52 (Reply)
nah!... Filipinos will NEVER win in basketball! unless two-thirds of the team are imports...
#36 james trasmonte on 2011-02-16 09:00 (Reply)
correction: football ang fist love ng pinoy.
* Philippines had the ELO rank of 26th all over the world from February 1913 to May 1915.
* Paulino Alcantara was an ilonggo who played for FC Barcelona (1910's - 1920's) and still holds the club's record for most goals (357 goals in 357 matches)
* Philippines beat Japan 2–15 (Tokyo, Japan; 10 May 1917) at the Far East Asian Games
#37 xxx on 2011-02-16 09:10 (Reply)
check this link:
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/304487/douthit-papers-now-malaca-ang

ndi naman mapanindigan ang basketball, kelangan pang magnaturalize ng foreigners para may ilaban sa basketball ang Pilipinas... pathetic..
#38 suspitsado on 2011-02-16 09:22 (Reply)
International performance lang ba ang dahilan kung bakit natin susuportahan ang isang sport? Kung ganon, dapat mas hindi suportahan ang soccer kasi hindi man lang tayo makapag-champion on the se asian level. Soccer is just a FAD. When the Azkals start to lose, which they will, the HYPE will be gone & people will veer away from the "sport". Also, people will realize that they're watching a sport that can end on a nil-nil score (0-0). People would wish that they can take back 2-plus hours of their lives.
#38.1 james trasmonte on 2011-02-16 09:41 (Reply)
i think this was already answered at #36 (that's against the current kings of entire asia).and #16

mabuhay ang pilipinas !!!
#38.2 introoder on 2011-02-16 10:07 (Reply)
you see philippine football on the rise bec of international matches. we should have had a national league so as we can see local matches but sadly, basketball gets all the attention/funding for having a league. what do you mean by "sport"? didnt you know that football is THE SPORT OF THE WORLD?? listen to this video and this might open some eyes or perhaps yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvvuKWsdK0&feature=player_embedded

most (though not all) filipinos indeed have this short attention span mentality. a trait that we got from the americans. im sorry to say this but maybe you are one of them as based to your observations of being frustrated watching a 2 hour game but just ending in a draw.

win or lose, football fanatics will still support the azkals. thats football. thats sport. you get to win games, you get to lose some. thats football. thats sport. most fans are long time supporters of the team even before the azkalero/azkalera names have sprouted. im not a converted azkalero but i had been a supporter of the national team ever since i opened my eyes on football since the early 90's. i do enjoy watching basketball but football is in my blood. when i watch football games, every minute of it gives me the thrills. hmmm. now i dont think i have a short attention span after all. hehehe
#38.3 Arielle on 2011-02-16 10:33 (Reply)
`When the Azkals start to lose, which they will, the HYPE will be gone & people will veer away from the "sport".`

Uhm, that's what people said right after the Azkals won against Vietnam: when the Azkals lost, the hype will be gone. But guess what, the Azkals lost TWICE in Indonesia after failing to score against Myanmar. Yet just last week, people from all over the country flocked to Bacolod to see the Azkals.
#39 FootBasket or BasketFoot on 2011-02-16 10:24 (Reply)
Let us just agree to disagree, my friends!

Oh wait, PBA opening coming up. And the NBA All Star weekend... heaven!
#40 Descartes on 2011-02-16 10:49 (Reply)
For the love of god, stop calling it soccer! It's FOOTBALL! [expletive]!!!
#41 LegendHarry on 2011-02-16 12:04 (Reply)
You conveniently forgot that we were blanked by the Japs, 0-15, on Sept 27, 1967, 50 years after.

i hope that won't happen to the azkals otherwise the fanatics will call for heads.

but if it happened to a World Cup team like NoKor (vs Portugal, 0-7, Group Stage, 2010 FIFA World Cup), how much more to the a Challenge Cup-quality such as ours pitted to top tiered team?
#41.1 jahmez on 2011-02-16 12:33 (Reply)
very true.. probably because everyone was busy trying to learn basketball (post world war 2).. hehehe

the PBA was created ten years after that...2
#41.2 Ben Zayb on 2011-02-16 13:51 (Reply)
You conveniently forgot that we also lost to Japan 13-0 in 1999. Was that an improvement after 50 years? What was your point again?

The guy was merely pointing out that we had been strong in football. Nobody's denying that football, over the years, has become very weak in the country.

As opposed to basketball where the extreme fans still think that we have a strong team when the last time we won anything of significance was like 15-20 years ago. And no, SEA games don't not counted because it's always a no-contest.
#42 workhorse3 on 2011-02-16 14:17 (Reply)
funny how this article, which was supposed to reconcile the two rival sports (hyped to the highest heavens by the media), spawned a lot of comments bashing the two sports with each other.

I guess some people missed the point.

Anyway, lots of passionate fans bashed the Gilas program (yah yah we need to naturalize an import yada yada). I don't want to sound a crab, but wait till the nation's honeymoon with the Azkals is over. By that time, we'll be able to weed who are bandwagoners and the fans who will stick with the Azkals through thick and thin.
#43 Will on 2011-02-16 20:02 (Reply)
Firstly, the Azkals won't be getting this kind of attention if there weren't goodlooking players(mainly the yhusband bros; who'd be popular if they joined PBB instead of the azkals anyways) on the team. that's hardly debatable.

It's says a lot that majority of people who watch Azkals games are women; who don't understand much about the game. they watch the yhusband bros and the other filfors more than they watch the game. 99% of these fanatics don't even know how long a soccer game is.

Secondly, we're battling in the 3rd division of the afc cup. we're technically not in the afc cup proper yet, we need to win the 3rd division to get in. we're going up against "developing" soccer countries; countries which our basketball team can beat playing on one arm. in fact, SEA countries get our local boys as imports in the abl.

As much i'd love for us to get better in soccer(a sport where the pinoy can actually excel in), bball is still the undisputed king in the country.
#44 teampinoy on 2011-02-16 20:48 (Reply)
hoops can coexist with goals. support our nats. IMO, majority of these bashers cnt play basketball. want to know why football has this many fans now? reason is the younghusbands are good looking. no younghusbans, NO ASKAL FANS. bunch of bandwagoning pancit eating crabpeople.
#44.1 Louie on 2011-02-16 21:43 (Reply)
You want the two sports to coexist, but you are also bashing football. LOL. Way to go!
#45 Xabier on 2011-02-16 23:14 (Reply)
Football has no height requirement unlike basketball. We Filipinos are short in terms of height. It means that basketball is not suitable for us. So, we must play and support football.
#46 gilazkalz on 2011-02-17 01:14 (Reply)
the rivalry today between basketball and football will continue hanggang sa future.. last decades basketball was beaten black and blue by billiards and boxing..pero sa pag sikat ng futbol iba ang scenario dahil ang basketball and football are both team sports..

The love of pinoy for basketball as a sport will stay bilang extra curricular activities to get in shape and not a usual tv past time like the old days of PBA...

Ang maganda kasi dito my preference tayo kung anung sports ang gusto nating panoorin sa tv and to play para magpapawis..

like in the North America they have NFL,NBA,Major league baseball,NHL and new crowd favorite English football. Same thing also na possible na mangyari sa Pilipinas...Kung sa Japan,Korea and China nagawan nila ng choice ang mga tao what sports to watch.. Considering Japan and Korea are football and baseball nations but they manage to mangle our basketball loving country to shame.

It is about time for our nation to support basketball,football and all other sport disciplines..kaya naman natin maging another Serbia,Greece,Lithuania,Russia,Australia and even USA upset England last fifa world cup na maging powerhouse sa basketball and Football
#47 The Derby Ace King on 2011-02-17 07:53 (Reply)
Some sucker fans say basketball is boring. Wow, that's news to me. Then they're so excited about soccer, the new hype. So what's the final score, um 0-0, after watching players kick that ball for 2+ hours? Well I bet soccer is not boring, right? There are only two sport I wouldn't dare watch. Golf and the new hype in town, Soccer. It's like torture, I'd rather shoot some hoop.
#47.1 Louie on 2011-02-17 10:56 (Reply)
There are people like you who find football boring but billions of people consider football as the most fun, enjoyable and exciting sport in the world. Football is a religion in most parts of the world and the passion of football cannot be matched by any sport.

Football fans don't look at the scoreline only. They watch everything that's happening on the field. Of course, our mentality is just like the Americans which are based on statistics. But football is not about stats, it's about how good you play the game. You don't even have to score a goal or make an assist to become "man of the match" (best player of the game).
#48 rhk111 on 2011-02-17 13:58 (Reply)
Ralph, about the only reason why the Philippines rank high in Basketball and low in Football, is because not too many countries give a shi_ about Basketball as they do with Football.

In other words, less competition, higher ranking. More competition, lower ranking.

You think you can get the Indonesians (80k capacity stadium filled up) over a Basketball game as they do with Football? Nevah.

Same with the Vietnamese, Singaporeans, etc.
#49 rhk111 on 2011-02-17 14:10 (Reply)
As for "debunking" the fact that Basketball is not suited for Filipinos ... That's crap.

LIONEL MESSI, WAYNE ROONEY, LANDON DONOVAN ... all of those guys are only around 5'8", and they are some of the BEST players in Football today.

How many Fil-Foreigners right now are playing in the NBA? NONE. How many Fil-Foreigners are now playing in the best Football leagues in the world in a sport which Filipinos have ignored? I can name at least three: Neil Etheridge (Fulham, EPL), David Alaba (Bayern Munich, Bundelsiga) and Jonathan De Guzman (La Liga).
#50 Jeff Tagle on 2011-02-17 14:38 (Reply)
hay

crab mentality at its worst.

i don't see any englishmen bash basketball.


just in case you didn't know, ben gordon and luol deng are englishmen who play basketball.
#51 rhk111 on 2011-02-17 15:02 (Reply)
That's not "Crab Mentality". Rafe insisted on pointing out that we rank higher in Basketball than in Football, and I am just straightening that point out.

You can call it, "Putting Down Basketball", but you can also call it, "Telling The Truth".
#52 Xabier on 2011-02-17 21:17 (Reply)
Football is the most popular sport in the world. Basketball is still popular but the same cannot beat the popularity of football. If we were not colonized by the Americans, basketball would not be the most popular team sport in our country.

We should popularize football as a premier sport in our country. It is not difficult to broadcast football matches in public but the problem is to make a nationwide football league.

There is hope in making our country as a football-loving nation. Let us reduce American influence in Philippine sports and strengthen Filipino-Spanish relations.
#53 The Derby Ace King on 2011-02-18 08:25 (Reply)
And how many of you Soccer, sorry, Football advocate play the game? As in play football, on a football field? How many of you know all the positions? plays of the game? rules of the game? At least I know and play basketball, and I'm not tall at all. We'll see how far the new hype can go on. But before you brag about football, make sure they have already won a legit game against an elite team, OK? Or have they? LOL
#53.1 hehe on 2011-02-19 02:55 (Reply)
fucking twat. ang jologs mo boy
#54 rhk111 on 2011-02-18 09:18 (Reply)
Football at least allows us Filipinos to join the rest of the World Football fraternity. The truth is, we live in a lonely world patronizing Basketball as our number one sport.

NONE of the South East Asian nations give a shi_ about Basketball. There are a few other countries in Asia that "like" basketball, but even then, Football still is way ahead of Basketball. I'm talking about countries like Iran, and China.

South Korea and Japan are not just Asian powers in Football, they are WORLD powers in Football, ranked number 32 and 29 respectively. They have what looks like token presence in Asian Basketball, but if you want the Japanese and Sokors really go crazy about a sport, then watch their Football games. Especially during the 2010 World Cup.
#54.1 The Derby Ace King on 2011-02-18 13:20 (Reply)
So truth be told, it's hard for you football fans to accept, the Philippines is not a football country, live with it, for now, keep on dreaming about your new passion, but unless this football team of yours win against an elite team, and I'm not even talking about the top 20 football teams in the world, unless they compete on a world class tournament, keep it low. It's not like they have already won something decent at the very least.

And yah, Azkals minus the handsome players, we won't even have this conversation. This is more like showbiz than sports, LOL
#55 suspitsado on 2011-02-18 13:26 (Reply)
Kanya-kanyang trip lang dapat. Walang pakialamanan. Kung gusto basketball, then good. Kung gusto soccer/football, then good. Dapat wag pilitin ang ibang tao to choose 1 sport over the other. Ang mga taong ganito ay parang mga Muslim extremists. Kapag iba ang relihiyon mo, you're considered an "infidel" w/c must be converted to their religion. If not they will murder you.
#55.1 The Derby Ace King on 2011-02-18 13:42 (Reply)
Well that's true, but read the title of this blog - "to new Pinoy soccer fans: No need to take cheap shots at basketball"

Does anyone here think basketball fans care much about soccer or football or what ever you call it? Just because Azkals won some game, now Philippines suddenly got its savior in sports? It's nothing but an overly-hyped sport here in the Philippines, no need to insult basketball if you football fans doesn't like it.

Just because you want to be a member of the new sport sensation, you'll talk trash about basketball's shortcomings? Again, what have the Askals achieved? Honestly, what can you brag about Philippine football?

This blog is all about football fans hitting basketball way below the belt, this blog is not about football actually, no one wants to pull our football team down, but there's no need to praise them to the highest heaven and treat them as gods. Be real.
#55.1.1 gilazkalz on 2011-02-18 14:36 (Reply)
hey derby ace king you are a new breed of basketball fan patronizing derby ace.. In other words baby boomer ka din ng basketball..kung true blue fan ka ng Philippine basketball cguro naman alam mo na di kayang pantayan ni James Yap..ang purefoods greats trio na sila alvin patrimonio,jolas,and jerry codinera......

Ang hirap kasi sa mga basketball fanatic ngayon puro baby boomers...kundi high,mga college student ngayon at mga young adult ngayon.... .kasi ang mga idol ng baby boomer ngayon sila helterbrand,caguaio at ang pinagpipilitang si Anthony Washington sa line-up ng Gilas.

Dapat ang PBA magka roon ng mga replay ng games noong 1970's,80s, and 90.s ....para makita ng mga baby boomers kung gaano kaganda at galing ang mga basketball player noong araw sa PBA like Samboy lim,Allan caidic,hector calma,dindo,mon fernandez pumaren and even benjie Paras....Yung PBA na napanood mo ngayon sa tv is such unholy crap.

Not all football fans are taking a cheapshots at basketball...Even baby boomers na solid PBA, derby ace and Ginebra fan are dissing smart gilas program na wala raw pag-asa sa olympic and they are pretending a football fan na mag-football na lang pinoy dahil dissappointed sila sa Gilas.

Ang mga crabs sa Philippine basketball ay yung mga baby boomers na feeling basketball expert that bashing smart gilas program para ipasok sa roster ng rp squad ang idol nilang si Mark the spark Caguaio,Washington at James Yap...na di rin umubra during their stint sa fiba-asia.

We can't blame our countrymen why they are rooting for Azkals.. Filipinos can't accept the fact that the basketball they worshipped before will end-up beating badly by football nations in middle east..

kahit sabihin mo pang wala tayong chance against japan,china and Korea sa AFC cup.....mas lalo naman sa fiba-asia at asian games we land on 6th place for the first time....rp powerade tinamabak ng football craze qatafricans...

I can't imagine we are defeated by the japanese in basketball na ang sports religion sa japan ay football

At least maganda ang long-term program ng sbp for basketball...wag naman sana sirain ng mga baby boomers na sumsubaybay sa Ginebra,derby ace and san miguel.
#55.1.1.1 LegendHarry on 2011-02-18 17:24 (Reply)
lol wala bang baby boomer fans ang tnt, aa, powerade, ros, a21, meralco or sadyang wala silang fanbase? lol

o sadyang me malalim kang galit sa smc teams. lol
#55.1.1.1.1 gilazkalz on 2011-02-18 18:03 (Reply)
lol wala bang baby boomer fans ang tnt, aa, powerade, ros, a21, meralco or sadyang wala silang fanbase? lol

o sadyang me malalim kang galit sa smc teams. lol
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Ayaw mo ba nun? maganda nga yun pino-promote natin ng libre ang SMC teams bukod sa pina-patronize natin ang smc brands like smb light, red horse at kung magsasaka b-meg feeds starter and grower ng panabong....

Dapat nga bayaran tayo ng SMC teams at smart pino-promote natin ng libre an mga produkto nila.

kailan ba nagkaroon ng fanbase ang ros,air 21 at powerade...mga bagong team lang yan at hindi kasing yaman ng SMCs teams para tumagal sa PBA.

Kung suwertehin man ang TNT pumasok ulet sa Finals pwede naman nilang bayaran ang mga fans ng ginebra para manood..marami dun perayalista o mga hakot ng partylist like bayan muna as an example.
#55.1.1.2 Jobert Balbastro on 2011-02-22 03:09 (Reply)
it's Caguioa.
#56 restituto on 2011-02-18 20:07 (Reply)
From the get-go, Bartholomew states that he has a pro-basketball point-of-view. There's not much to discuss about that article except that his figures, when he talks about rankings and all that, are skewed. He tries to downplay the recent successes in football by mentioning the "integer" ranks of the countries involved without giving any context to those integers.

From that perspective, we can just as easily say that Spain's (1, before the World Cup) quarter-final victory over Paraguay (29) would be insignificant had it not been THE World Cup. I mean, c`mon, there's no glory in beating a team that's 28 places below you, right?

Then he again plays the numbers by mentioning basketball rankings. But of course, he doesn't mention that of the 200+ FIBA member countries, only 75 are actually ranked. (In that firequinito post, some commenter mentioned this.) From this, you'd be left with the impression our basketball rank (53) is way better than our football rank (152) simply because of the difference in the integers involved. But when you put context around these numbers, as in define what "53 out of 75" and "152 out of 206" mean, you'll see that both our basketball and football teams are in the lower-third in their respective associations.

PH Basketball's real place is at the lower 30%, meaning 70% of FIBA participants are better.
PH Football's real place is at the lower 26%, meaning 74% of FIFA participants are better.
Pretty close (difference of 4%) if one gives context to the numbers he's using, right?

There's really no point in mentioning these things unless the goal is to misinform or the writer himself is misinformed. But now that we know, there's no point in giving this long-winded piece any more attention that it deserves.
#57 rhk111 on 2011-02-18 21:05 (Reply)
Its obvious a lot of Basketball fans here are getting insecure about the rise of Football in the country, hence the constant reminder of how low our FIFA rankings are, compared to our FIBA rankings.

Well, I guess that happens, when the official Azkals page on FB has 125k likes (and counting), while the official PBA Atin Ito FB page only has 75k likes. LOL

I have to admit, nobody is still sure whether Football is here to stay in the hearts and minds of Filipinos, but all I can say, is that there could not have been a better "rebirth" of Football in the Philippines as is happening now.
#57.1 gilazkalz on 2011-02-19 02:51 (Reply)
I agree again! I don't want to speculate if Rafe is showing some signs of worries that it will affect the sales of his books.....Why rafe attempt to write the success of both discipline! that hoops and goals co-exist in the Philippine culture...

.Pwede naman nyang isulat yun? In fact his American, may cinderella run din ang english football sa States and it surpass the popularity of major league baseball...last year fifa world cup the English squad was upset by Team USA...Imaginin mo yun.

It would be better the next book launching of Rafe Bartholomew...ang title ay Pacific rims on the Pitch.. or Pound for Pitch on the rims...pinaghalong basketball,boxing and football.
#58 alaskachampions on 2011-02-21 18:00 (Reply)
I agree to Rafe's sentiments and for those who love basketball as well since I am one of them.

I don't know where's the hatred or envy these soccer-panatikos coming from, since the Powerade PBA-backed NT they'd spread a lot of hatred posts, they keep on bashing the Phil. Basketball lalo na ang PBA.

I don't think it is fair for the Phil. Basketball to be belittled. Most Pinoys both men and women, adults and youth, they can very well associate themselves with basketball.

It's a great and exciting sports, fast-paced action and coaching and system of offense and defense is well defined unlike soccer, so don't blame the people who loved basketball.

Nakakainis din talaga most of the soccer fans, laging pinagkukumpara ang basketball, and they even trying to divide PBA and Smart Gilas... they are creating a lot of bad issues between this 2 organizations that are important for the development of basketball in the Phils.

I can support the Azkals and Alaska as well, same with any other Pinoy sports like boxing, swimming, track & field and basketball. Wala naman problema dun, sana ganun din yung MGA ILANG INSECURE NA FANS NG FOOTBALL.

Basketball is in the blood of many Pinoys at di na mawawala iyon, kaya sana tantanan na lang ng mga SUCKER NA SOCCER FANS ang PBA at Pinoy Basketbol in general. If they can't love PBA because they already love FUTBOL so be it, but pls. don't try to divide the nation because of these two totally different sports.

And any team and any league that has FILIPINO tag on its sport's shirt we should support them.

For Phil. Basketball and Football we can all agree that we should support these sports!!!
#58.1 gilazkals on 2011-02-21 22:31 (Reply)
Regarding on football fans not all of them are trying to divide the hoops community...kaya don't generalize po! Matagal ko na pong nabasa since the smart gilas was formed, napakarami po nilang critics and trying to pull them down... Sad to say inside basketball community rin po...

Instead of supporting Smart Gilas Pilipinas ay masyado silang skeptic na slimmer ang chances nito sa 2012Olympic.....The problem po some basketball fans masydong mataas ang expectation sa developmental team.,

Kahit yung ibang Ginebra fanatics, Smc and a few solid PBA fans are trying to pull down smart gilas...yung mga fans na yan kanya-kanya pong alibi dapat walang naturalized player,walang foreign coach and fil-ams...

Saan po tayo kukuha ng pure Filipino kahit Aeta mga Austronesians and aborigines from Africa..It means immigrant din po sila....kahit po ang word na Filipino derived po in Honor of King Philip ng Spain...

Kahit po sa Phil Azkals naririnig po na sa mga taong may mga mentalidad na dapat daw pure pinoy hindi fil-foreigners....Whenever we ask them di naman nila masagot What is pure pinoy? o kaya full bloodied Filipino.

Some bandwagoners of Football,basketball and those haters of both sports...ay pinagsasabong nila ang 2 sports.......Some people think this a good a publicity and from others it is a bad pero it is a publicity..

Media is making money everytime may pinoy na nanalo sa ibang bansa...like the recent knock-out win by Nonito Donaire...halos lahat ng media publications,bloggers ang giant tv network ay happy silang gawing scoop..

We can't blame Azkals,Donaire, at Manny kung bakit favorite sila ng media at nababaliw ang sambayanan sa kanila...

Yung Philippine basketball wala ng kailangan patunayan noong araw ilang decade natin pinagharian ang Asian,naka bronze din tayo sa Olympic and nag qualify sa World class...Ngayon gusto lang i-redeem ng Smart gilas ang nawalang basketball Glory sa Pilipinas.

About football history po kasi yan na we beat powerhouse Vietnam and nakapasok tayo sa semi-finals..kaya na-inspire at na touch ang mga tao sa Philippine team....kung aalibi po natin dahil gwapo silang lahat ay bonus na lang po yun and sign of insecurities among detractors of Football..

let us Support GILAS and AZKAL PILIPINAS.
#59 Pinoyako69 on 2011-02-23 11:10 (Reply)
May tanong ako... Yung kababayan natin na si Caligdong eh naka score din pero bat hindi sya minamarket katulad nila Philyounghusband? Mas ginawa pang face ng Azkals ung mga dayuhang pogi kesa sa mga tunay na Pilipino.. anong klaseng team Philippines yan? :)
#59.1 gilazkals on 2011-02-24 01:24 (Reply)
Pare si Chieffy Caligdong siya ang Mark Barroca ng Azkals...Nakita na ba nating may commercial na inendorso si Mark Barroca! Kung meron man unfair yun kay Chieffy whehe ha! ha! ha!.

Di pa ba tayo nasanay sa mga ad agencies at ang mga sponsors siyempre ang pipiliin nila eh market ang may mga good looks... lalo na pag skin care products and cometics ang i-market.

Kung naging boxer lang si Chieffy Caligdong at Mark Barroca and may knock-out punch sila like Manny...pag-aagawan pa sila ni Belo at Calayaan para ibenta ang mga produkto nila.

Kung hindi lang thick ang visayan accent ni James Yap malamang nakikipag compete siya kay piolo, John Llyod, dingdong chris tiu at Younghusband bros sa mga tv commercials.

Let's wait na lang for a new breed of homegrown stars ng Philippine football before or start ng 2012..Marami pang mangyayari sa Philippine football.
#60 rhk111 on 2011-02-23 14:08 (Reply)
Sumikat na din si Caligdong dahil sa goal niya laban sa Mongolia.

As for Phil, natural siya ang face of the Azkals, kasi siya yung hearthrob duon. Ganun din naman sa Gilas, si Tiu yung face of Gilas, kahit di naman ganun ka consistent yung tao pagdating sa main international competitions.
#61 robotmortiz on 2011-02-24 06:41 (Reply)
after reading all the comments, i have come to the realization that there will never be peace in the Philippines. this was a simple call for peace by the author. "stop promoting something at the expense of the other". it was supposed to be a win-win situation for all sports-fans but i guess a lot of people just don't want that.
#62 tina pena on 2011-02-24 18:30 (Reply)
in the last several decades that the filipinos played basketball did any filipino make any headlines in the nba? never..........while the greatest FC barcelona player of all time paulino alcantara a proud ilonggo is considered an icon in football...............and several other half filipinos playing in first division leagues all accross europe...............tells u which sport filipinos are better suited at...............
#63 tina on 2011-02-24 18:36 (Reply)
please rafe bartholomew...another american telling us filipinos how we should live and feel....please just coz football is taking a pie out of the sport u making money on.....that is called cheapest shot of all.............just a typical american who only sees the philippines as money coffers...no real concern there..............very american indeed.............user friendly? no slave driver............hahahahahhah
#63.1 gilazkals on 2011-02-25 05:49 (Reply)
correct! i agree with you! since world 1 and 2 we are staunch allied by the Americans.. kahit sa korean war and vietnam war ...we filipinos never leave them..

The only thing we regret is embracing the American culture too much...We forgot our own identity because of western colonial mindset....Mas importante pa ang Germany sa mga kano noong world war II at binigyan pa nila ng Disneyland ang Japan na sumakop sa atin and Yung Hongkong na British colony.

Mas importanteng trading partner ng Amerika sa Asia ang China kaysa sa Pilipinas..

My only plea to our American friends ay pagbigyan naman nila tayong mahilig sa Football and Iito ang maging alternative entertaiment aside from NBA.
#64 Greg on 2011-03-10 14:46 (Reply)
Rafe, I think it is true that the Fil-Euros are more genteel, if not more respectful than their Fil-Am counterparts.American culture, as you mentioned, is so focused on making money that typical Fil-Ams act like aristocratic gits when they come back home flaunting their effin money, feeling like they are the richest a-holes in the world. Sorry, sad but true.
#65 soccer convert on 2011-03-24 14:39 (Reply)
rafe sorry man but it is a fact that Filipinos have more chance to succeed in football/soccer than basketball. never mind your data about the success and rankings. let me challenge that. in football there are a lot of teams, teams that are stronger, that is why they call it a world sport. so moving one spot is a big deal. the Philippines is lagging behind to a great opportunity. it is a sport where you don't need height and heft just good preparation. about the success, the Philippines never made a big wave in a prestigious tournament. also there are no Filipinos in the NBA or even the Euro League, whereas there are a lot of half-breeds in the Europe, in every division.

about the PBA, for me it is a laughing stock because they are a cheap copycat of the NBA.

i agree about the comments of the media men.for one the PBA is a lost cost already. releasing money to a sport where we have no chance of being known. Look at Singapore they focused on sports where their capabilities and abilities can achieve something big, that is why it is easy for them to get gold medals in the Olympics. while the Philippines is having a hard time to get one gold. their comment about the popularity of football is that they realized that this is a sport where we can gain popularity because we do not need size. about the issue of American culture is worse than Euro culture, yes i believe that. generally, Americans do not have manners. i have experienced that while studying in the US for further studies... and you can see the attitude of the Fil-foreign football and basketball players during interviews and from the description of other writers. your so called Fil-ams are genetically pure Filipino blood. the Ryan Reyes, Vince Hizon, Lago bros. etc. they are not half-breeds. they grew up in a FIlipino household.

the issue of the attitudes of Fil-foreigners getting nasty in the future. i dont think so soccer has a good organization in FIFA which creates a good environment for soccer and Coach Weiss does not mind removing those egoistic players.

i think you are tick because the comments triggered your American side- basketball and your culture, which it is not the case. the management in sports should be for the sports the Philippines can gain- fencing, boxing, football and the likes; not the ones that is obviously unrealistic, we are just wasting money. the Philippines embraced basketball because of the "benevolent" preaching of the Americans. but the fact is football is the sport of the Filipinos before.

so goal for the azkals!
#65.1 Allen Iverson on 2011-07-27 15:11 (Reply)
Dude it is obvious you are hating on Basketball then let me hate on you as well. Azkals got fucked up by Kuwait 4 nil. They are hella overrated. Smart Gilas are now doing well internationally, they lost to the NBA allstars by just 9 points. Filipino football is boring as hell.... if Phil and James younghusband were ugly, they wouldn't get endorsements and the Azkal hype would be shit. So stop sucking your Fil-British football idols' dick and learn to respect basketball faggot.

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