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On PBA officiating

Posted by Jaemark Tordecilla on February 12, 2010 at 17:41 | Comments (14)
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Like I mentioned to Rafe a couple of days ago in the comments to the SMC League post, basketball refereeing is kind of a blind spot for me when I watch basketball. I try not to think about it, for the most part, and try to enjoy the game, and try not to get too worked up too much about the referees.

It was the case a couple of days ago, while watching the Purefoods-San Miguel game. I tweeted about the bum calls (I was kidding) that went San Miguel’s way, but in the end, I accepted (or maybe, rationalized) that it was the lack of energy on defense and the awful field goal shooting that did Purefoods in.

(Yeah, I can’t believe my James Yap fanboy post didn’t work! I think the poem caused him to go 0-8 from the field.)

Which is why I really, really appreciate the effort of the boys over at Patay ang Butiki, who broke down the foul calls and free throw rates for the controversial Talk N Text-Ginebra series. They found that, indeed, the fouls being called against Talk N Text and the free throws being given to Ginebra were out of the ordinary. It doesn’t mean that the referees were in for Talk N Text, but it does throw up a red flag, and the Talk N Text staff had a reason to feel awful.

The post at Patay ang Butiki was also about 10 million times more productive than a walkout. If that kind of approach had been taken from the start, it might bring in some concrete improvements to the officiating in the PBA.

Apparently, people from Talk N Text are already well aware of the entry, with Fidel Mangonon tweeting that someone from the team texted him to look at the site. There was a comment left at the post from a certain ‘Chot Reyes’ although without leaving an email address, it was hard to verify if it really was the Talk N Text coach.

It now depends on where Talk N Text wants to take this. They could stand pat and feel vindicated about their decision to walk out. Or they could pursue this matter to affect real changes to the PBA’s refereeing system.
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#1 Jude Turcuato on 2010-02-12 18:13 (Reply)
Problem with the TNT stance is that based on comments made by TNT side, they are not only questioning competence but blatant intentional collussion by the referees to make Ginebra win. What do you do about that? No workshop can cure that.

Peace.
#2 Chot Reyes on 2010-02-12 19:00 (Reply)
@Jude: Amen, bro!

@Jaemark:

First of all, I really like your blog. I think it really rocks!!! Irreverent, objective, witty, straight to the point. Just as sports reportage should be. Yes, even when it attacks the 'numerous dick moves' of Chot Reyes. :)

You're right, my coaching career has been marked by greater disappointments than achievements. In the game 4 incident, I know you (and a lot of sports fans) disagree with, as you so aptly call it, 'the dick move.'

But more than the numbers quoted by the 'patay and butiki' boys, I just wanted to inform you that we indeed followed established PBA protocol w regards officiating:

1. We wrote a letter to the PBA Commissioner dated January 25, 2010 even before the series started, already citing several calls/non-calls in our previous Ginebra games. He replied by admitting that the officials did err in four of the twelve instances, with the assurance that the same would not happen again;
2. After game two which we won, we sent a videotape through Assistant Coach Bong Ravena indicating questionable calls/non-calls by referee Aldaba, requesting that he be prevented from officiating our next games. Commish responded by, according to Mr. Ramil Cruz, insisting Aldaba be put into the pool of refs for games 3 and 4;
3. The morning after game 4, we presented to the Commish video showing how, if referee Aldaba had just done his job and called a foul on Eric Menk for throwing Mac Cardona to the floor, then the play involving the Ranidel de Ocampo Flagrant Foul should not even have happened. He agreed that a foul should have been called on Menk but denied our request for reconsideration and upheld the Flagrant Foul 2 call.

The above shows how we did follow the established protocol for officiating concerns. Unfortunately, it also shows that our concerns went unheeded – that is, until the walkout.

Perhaps due to the walkout, game 5 officiating showed that, indeed, the refs are capable of calling games fairly. We lost that game fair and square, and I credit Ginebra for hitting 14 of their 30 3-pt shots in the game that mattered most. They deserved to win.

In response to your comment on how far we will take this, our position is, as far as necessary for officiating in the PBA to improve, not only for TNT, but for all the teams. And scathing commentaries like yours can only help. After all, it's not easy compiling call logs and editing footage just to show the PBA technical group the day following a stressful game. But, we gotta do what we gotta do.

Again, I do not mind being criticized, questioned and contradicted, as long as the comments are made responsibly and respectfully.

All the best and keep on punchin!
#2.1 jaemark on 2010-02-12 22:30 (Reply)
thanks for the kind words, coach, and for being a good sport. i posted your comment on the front page of the blog, so that everyone could read. i think it really moves the discussion forward.

http://x.firequinito.com/284
#2.2 Joey_Escalera on 2010-02-13 01:17 (Reply)
Thanks for sharing us the other side of the story. I do agree with your concerns. I just hope that the PBA truly makes an effort to improve officiating. BTW, fans might be looking forward to future Ginebra-TNT games as a new rivalry has been created due to this incident.
#2.3 Edge on 2010-02-14 00:42 (Reply)
I can't help but think back to a game between Ateneo High School and FEU-FERN where FEU nearly walked out of an overtime period at the Blue Eagle Gym due to a "bad call" by the referees. Coach Chot's (and Coach Ravena's) kid(s) was (were) on the other end of the experience at the time. Just love the drama, don't you?
#2.3.1 jaemark on 2010-02-14 00:53 (Reply)
sir edge! welcome to fire quinito.

bakit sa sleepasil mo niho-host ang blog mo? bumili ka nga ng domain name.
#2.3.1.1 Edge on 2010-02-15 10:23 (Reply)
Kasi cross-advertisement 'yan. If you noticed, I also have my email address on http://www.projectcolt.org ... My students will need Sleepasil after all the requirements and exams I give. May domain name namang iba na pwede ko ring gamitin. Extra leverage for the product 'yan.
#3 Jeff Tagle on 2010-02-12 19:17 (Reply)
great hearing your side of the story coach! as much as I would disagree on what you did, I knew that was more than just an impulsive move. too bad it had to take drastic measures to get decent officiating. hope that doesn't happen in college ball.
#4 Xioty on 2010-02-12 19:20 (Reply)
well said coach chot
#5 jp manahan on 2010-02-12 19:23 (Reply)
wow. coach chot knows about this.

i cannot blame him for the said actions. i respect their decision.

it's just that the world knows about how ateneo gets the raw end of officiating all the time in the UAAP, yet they still play on. i only wish TNT just played on.

but, i welcome this kind of conversation.
#6 Joey_Escalera on 2010-02-13 01:12 (Reply)
This is enough proof that this blog is acknowledged by sports personalities. Good work jaemark!!!!
#6.1 nottosmartgilas on 2010-02-13 01:41 (Reply)
Jaemark ,even the Quinito boys( Pinoykano, joey escalera) are starting to invade your blog LOL
#6.1.1 Legendary Skyflakes25 on 2010-02-13 02:13 (Reply)
quinito boys talaga eh. lol
mukhang di mo ako natandaan. lol
#6.1.2 Joey_Escalera on 2010-02-13 02:24 (Reply)
Question:What do jaemark,Pinoykano,Legendary Skyflakes25 and I have in common?

Answer: We are all Purefoods fans!!!! LOL

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