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On PBA officiating
Like I mentioned to Rafe a couple of days ago in the comments to the SMC League post, basketball refereeing is kind of a blind spot for me when I watch basketball. I try not to think about it, for the most part, and try to enjoy the game, and try not to
Like I mentioned to Rafe a couple of days ago in the comments to the SMC League post, basketball refereeing is kind of a blind spot for me when I watch basketball. I try not to think about it, for the most part, and try to enjoy the game, and try not to
Weblog: Fire Quinito
Tracked: Feb 12, 17:58
Tracked: Feb 12, 17:58
Alaska owner Fred Uytengsu: SMC is harassing Samigue Eman
Got another interesting email in my inbox this morning. This time, it’s from Alaska team owner and former PBA chairman Wilfred Steven Uytengsu, who wrote in with his thoughts on this blog, and an update on his team’s acquisition of Samigue Eman from San M
Got another interesting email in my inbox this morning. This time, it’s from Alaska team owner and former PBA chairman Wilfred Steven Uytengsu, who wrote in with his thoughts on this blog, and an update on his team’s acquisition of Samigue Eman from San M
Weblog: Fire Quinito
Tracked: Feb 17, 16:03
Tracked: Feb 17, 16:03
An SMB fan speaks
Editor's Note: This guest post comes for Tiger Gimenez, a self-confessed San Miguel fanatic. I figured we needed a voice from the San Miguel side of things to balance things here at the blog. I had no idea he would go Tony Atayde on San Miguel management.
Editor's Note: This guest post comes for Tiger Gimenez, a self-confessed San Miguel fanatic. I figured we needed a voice from the San Miguel side of things to balance things here at the blog. I had no idea he would go Tony Atayde on San Miguel management.
Weblog: Fire Quinito
Tracked: Feb 21, 16:21
Tracked: Feb 21, 16:21
In praise of Ryan Gregorio, and other thoughts on Purefoods vs. San Miguel
Purefoods coasted to a very, very impressive victory over San Miguel last night, winning the last three games in the series comfortably. The team will be making its third Philippine Cup finals appearance in the last five years, an impressive feat by any m
Purefoods coasted to a very, very impressive victory over San Miguel last night, winning the last three games in the series comfortably. The team will be making its third Philippine Cup finals appearance in the last five years, an impressive feat by any m
Weblog: Fire Quinito
Tracked: Feb 22, 09:55
Tracked: Feb 22, 09:55
San Miguel looking to sell control of SMB, Ginebra, Purefoods businesses; Danding Cojuangco looking to cash out?
Several weeks back, I wrote about the interest of Japanese beer giant Kirin to increase its stake in San Miguel Brewery and gain control of the San Miguel subsidiary. At the time, San Miguel Corporation president Ramon Ang denied that the food and bev
Several weeks back, I wrote about the interest of Japanese beer giant Kirin to increase its stake in San Miguel Brewery and gain control of the San Miguel subsidiary. At the time, San Miguel Corporation president Ramon Ang denied that the food and bev
Weblog: Fire Quinito
Tracked: Apr 26, 18:57
Tracked: Apr 26, 18:57
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wow.. i didnt think na ganito ka garapal un.. nice entry sir! di na talaga uso ang salary cap sa pba..
Nice work here. I hate to suggest more work for you after you clearly have done so much, but if you're up for adding an appendix to this report, you might consider including the players that SMC teams gave up in these deals. If readers like the previous commenter think that it looks garapal now, just wait till they see the murderer's row of bench talent San Miguel teams gave up to acquire players like Arwind Santos, Cyrus Baguio and the H-Bomb. The example I remember most clearly is the Villanueva/Adducul swap in 2007. What player did Red Bull end up with after all was said and done? Don Camaso! The lunacy of this deal may have faded over the past two and a half years, since Villanueva has never looked as good as he did at Red Bull, but back then he was coming off a Mythical First Team season and Best Player of the 2005-6 import conference, and the outrage in some PBA locker rooms was intense.
Personally, I am less dismissive of PBA conspiracy theories. I know they are frowned upon by us serious commentators, but I don't think they should be. It's hard to watch PBA playoff series (not just the most recent TNT/BGK series) and not conclude that San Miguel teams are being favored by the calls. That doesn't mean teams should quit and walk out, but I still think it's a problem. That problem, however, exists in the NBA, the US NCAA and I'm sure every other league as well. When I see the Cleveland Cavaliers play, some of the calls (and especially the non-calls) they get make it easy to drift into dreamland and imagine I'm back in Araneta, watching the Beermen.
Personally, I am less dismissive of PBA conspiracy theories. I know they are frowned upon by us serious commentators, but I don't think they should be. It's hard to watch PBA playoff series (not just the most recent TNT/BGK series) and not conclude that San Miguel teams are being favored by the calls. That doesn't mean teams should quit and walk out, but I still think it's a problem. That problem, however, exists in the NBA, the US NCAA and I'm sure every other league as well. When I see the Cleveland Cavaliers play, some of the calls (and especially the non-calls) they get make it easy to drift into dreamland and imagine I'm back in Araneta, watching the Beermen.
i think ginebra gave up aries dimaunahan in the hatfield trade.
maybe it's just me, but i'm not as sensitive/perceptive to referees' calls when i watch basketball. it could be a huge blind spot for me, but game to game? it all just seems so random. here's an idea: maybe pba referees just aren't that good.
or maybe it's because i root for an smc team. i dunno. but purefoods has always been the red-headed stepchild of danding's empire (look at the graph, they didn't even start buying wholesale until last season, all they got were beermen hand-me-downs), so it hasn't felt so much like i'm part of the privileged class. and yeah, i know you'd throw the missed travel call on kerby on the adducul layup... whatever.
btw, my favorite part of the camaso trade was that he played like an all-star when he went to red bull. yeng guiao magic!
maybe it's just me, but i'm not as sensitive/perceptive to referees' calls when i watch basketball. it could be a huge blind spot for me, but game to game? it all just seems so random. here's an idea: maybe pba referees just aren't that good.
or maybe it's because i root for an smc team. i dunno. but purefoods has always been the red-headed stepchild of danding's empire (look at the graph, they didn't even start buying wholesale until last season, all they got were beermen hand-me-downs), so it hasn't felt so much like i'm part of the privileged class. and yeah, i know you'd throw the missed travel call on kerby on the adducul layup... whatever.
btw, my favorite part of the camaso trade was that he played like an all-star when he went to red bull. yeng guiao magic!
Great, great article .... dont even get me strated on the College scene ...... agent Mike Gonzales be damned.
You are correct. What's very tragic in all of this, is that the SMC stranglehold on talent & their evil machinations are very obvious .... yet the general public pays no mind.
Too many valid arguments & facts to support this SMC conspiracy:
1.) SMB way above the salary cap, given it's lineup composed of players perceived to be receiving max salaries.
2.) COKE conveniently gave away their star players to sister teams just before it disassociated from SMC control.
3.) If a tally is made of PBA teams that play on the 2nd game (primetime) slot ..... I'm thinking that GINEBRA will come out on top.
4.) Damm, even Cone, Uytengsu & TnT guys have been quoted before on their doubts on certain games between SMC sister teams.
5.) Many more ....
KEEP WRITING STUFF LIKE THIS. THANKS.
You are correct. What's very tragic in all of this, is that the SMC stranglehold on talent & their evil machinations are very obvious .... yet the general public pays no mind.
Too many valid arguments & facts to support this SMC conspiracy:
1.) SMB way above the salary cap, given it's lineup composed of players perceived to be receiving max salaries.
2.) COKE conveniently gave away their star players to sister teams just before it disassociated from SMC control.
3.) If a tally is made of PBA teams that play on the 2nd game (primetime) slot ..... I'm thinking that GINEBRA will come out on top.
4.) Damm, even Cone, Uytengsu & TnT guys have been quoted before on their doubts on certain games between SMC sister teams.
5.) Many more ....
KEEP WRITING STUFF LIKE THIS. THANKS.
i would take a little issue with calling SMC "evil" because that's precisely the point i'm trying to make... it's not SMC per se, but the way the league is set up today. there's just no incentive for them not to do what they do, just like Talk N Text keeps buying superstars off BK/Air 21 every year.
i personally don't see the problem with having Ginebra playing in the 2nd game. every other league in the world, including the UAAP and the NBA, highlight their most popular team, and i honestly don't mind the PBA doing that.
i personally don't see the problem with having Ginebra playing in the 2nd game. every other league in the world, including the UAAP and the NBA, highlight their most popular team, and i honestly don't mind the PBA doing that.
Yup, evil is a strong word .... but they are machinations just the same .... bring as much talent to ensure a winning season every year & look good while doing it.
Great stuff here .... keep on writing articles like this.
Great stuff here .... keep on writing articles like this.
Let's put it this way. Red Bull and Air21/BK have been selling their franchise / marquee / superstar / talented players as if they were slave traders. LOL
Here is Air21's list:
Yancy de Ocampo (2002 1st overall pick) - to TNT
Ren Ren Ritualo (2002 8th overall pick, ROY ) - to TNT
John Ferriols (2003 12th overall) - to TNT
Marc Pingris (2004 3rd overall) - to PF
Ranidel Ocampo (2004 4th overall) - to TNT
Jay Washington (2005 1st overall) - to TNT
Mark Cardona (2005 5th overall) - to TNT
KG Canaleta (2005 6th overall) - to PF
Arwind Santos (2006 2nd overall) - to SMB
JC Intal ( 2007 4th overall) - to BGK
Doug Kramer (2007 5th overall0 - to BGK
Yousif Aljamal (2007 8th overall) - to TNT
Marvin Cruz (2007 14th overall) - to Coke
Mark Borboran (2008 6th overall) - to Alaska
Japeth Aguilar (2009 1st overall) - to TNT
Fedex/Air21/BK have been trading them away as if they have no use.
If you could only retain these players, you have a very, very formidable lineup.
But sadly, they were treated as commodities. How much was the cash considerations involved in all those transactions? You don't trade your rookie picks for nothing though.
Here is Air21's list:
Yancy de Ocampo (2002 1st overall pick) - to TNT
Ren Ren Ritualo (2002 8th overall pick, ROY ) - to TNT
John Ferriols (2003 12th overall) - to TNT
Marc Pingris (2004 3rd overall) - to PF
Ranidel Ocampo (2004 4th overall) - to TNT
Jay Washington (2005 1st overall) - to TNT
Mark Cardona (2005 5th overall) - to TNT
KG Canaleta (2005 6th overall) - to PF
Arwind Santos (2006 2nd overall) - to SMB
JC Intal ( 2007 4th overall) - to BGK
Doug Kramer (2007 5th overall0 - to BGK
Yousif Aljamal (2007 8th overall) - to TNT
Marvin Cruz (2007 14th overall) - to Coke
Mark Borboran (2008 6th overall) - to Alaska
Japeth Aguilar (2009 1st overall) - to TNT
Fedex/Air21/BK have been trading them away as if they have no use.
If you could only retain these players, you have a very, very formidable lineup.
But sadly, they were treated as commodities. How much was the cash considerations involved in all those transactions? You don't trade your rookie picks for nothing though.
BTW, the only untradeable player in BK lineup is the franchise player himself, The Manugang! lol
Hehe ..... this is so true pre.
To be fair with RED BULL, they only went to their "giving spree" when the Photokina business started going downhill.
Damm Extra Joss, Cobra & other cheap energy drinks to hell.
As for AIR21, I began to doubt the seriousness of this franchise the moment they drafted Ferriols ..... It was Lina or Alvarez who said on the interview that they were drafting Ferriols primarily due to his good looks which attracts fans.
I swear on my death bed they said this during draft day. Hehe.
To be fair with RED BULL, they only went to their "giving spree" when the Photokina business started going downhill.
Damm Extra Joss, Cobra & other cheap energy drinks to hell.
As for AIR21, I began to doubt the seriousness of this franchise the moment they drafted Ferriols ..... It was Lina or Alvarez who said on the interview that they were drafting Ferriols primarily due to his good looks which attracts fans.
I swear on my death bed they said this during draft day. Hehe.
on air21's reason for drafting ferriols...
then again, my friend, that's the exact, same reason why purefoods isn't letting go of gregorio. :p
seriously, it appears factors considered in forming a team in the pba, aside from aiming to be competitive on the court, is to try to adhere to whatever image the franchise wants to project...
ginebra, for instance, with a product targeting the working class, always adhere to their 'never say die' spirit.
on san miguel beer amassing high profile players, despite their already formidable line-up, it's more of a statement. being the flagship product of smc, they want to maintain the image of superiority, thorugh their players' popularity. if being competitive on the court is their goal, matagal na nilang pinakawalan si seigle.
sa purefoods, it seems they're trying to project that wholesome, squeeky clean image. kung pagandahang lalake lang, all-star line-up talaga ang purefoods - from the coaching staff all the way to their bench players. kaya di talaga matatanggal yan si gregorio unless pakawalan ng RoS si caloy garcia.
...at yan din ang dahilan kung bakit hindi ida-draft ng purefoods si barroca. :p
then again, my friend, that's the exact, same reason why purefoods isn't letting go of gregorio. :p
seriously, it appears factors considered in forming a team in the pba, aside from aiming to be competitive on the court, is to try to adhere to whatever image the franchise wants to project...
ginebra, for instance, with a product targeting the working class, always adhere to their 'never say die' spirit.
on san miguel beer amassing high profile players, despite their already formidable line-up, it's more of a statement. being the flagship product of smc, they want to maintain the image of superiority, thorugh their players' popularity. if being competitive on the court is their goal, matagal na nilang pinakawalan si seigle.
sa purefoods, it seems they're trying to project that wholesome, squeeky clean image. kung pagandahang lalake lang, all-star line-up talaga ang purefoods - from the coaching staff all the way to their bench players. kaya di talaga matatanggal yan si gregorio unless pakawalan ng RoS si caloy garcia.
...at yan din ang dahilan kung bakit hindi ida-draft ng purefoods si barroca. :p
I blame yeng guiao. he kept developing those role players, which made it easier for RB to give up their star players. Kasi, kahit basura ang ibigay nila kay yeng, ginagawa nyang ginto. And the cycle continues (well, until yeng left them). :D
nice one here. i hope this write up lands in the broadsheets. uhm, maybe QH rips this one off? hehehe, i doubt if he's got the balls to write one like this of j's.
great! i hope you're still gulping redhorse or pilsen or sml after a hard day's work, lol :)
great! i hope you're still gulping redhorse or pilsen or sml after a hard day's work, lol :)
Jaemark, the other PBA teams trading players to San Miguel teams should be blamed because they were the ones who drafted these players, yet they let them go in the end.
In fairness to the SMC teams, they did not ask for these players. It was the weak teams that let them go to the SMC teams.
In fairness to the SMC teams, they did not ask for these players. It was the weak teams that let them go to the SMC teams.
oh, i'm pretty sure the SMC teams asked for the players. they're not innocent bystanders here. especially since they're bidding against Talk N Text too.
it takes two to tango.
and to make an analogy, if we are to castigate and punish the user, do it even more to the pusher.
and to make an analogy, if we are to castigate and punish the user, do it even more to the pusher.
rather than "user-pusher", a more apt analogy would be "client-callgirl".
The only problem I can see here, masyadong maluwag ang PBA sa mga trades, pinapabayaan lang i-monopolize ang liga ng may mga perang teams. Dapat ilabas nila sa public ang totoong salary caps ng mga PBA teams!
the pba has a very interesting rule on salary cap: if the player is placed in the injury list, his salary is not counted in the cap.
They are trying to make it different from the NBA so that the league won't be accused as a copycat of the American pro league.LOL
But seriously speaking, the PBA has to rectify this situation to balance the competition of the league. If not, then expect not-so-wealthy teams to languish at the botton of the standings. Aside from that, faking injuries could be common in the league to help add superstars in the team.
But seriously speaking, the PBA has to rectify this situation to balance the competition of the league. If not, then expect not-so-wealthy teams to languish at the botton of the standings. Aside from that, faking injuries could be common in the league to help add superstars in the team.
The only problem why SMB has underachieved inspite of its powerful line-up is its coach - Siot Tanquincen.
The same is true with Purefoods. It has also underachieved despite of its talented line-up due to its coach - RG.
While Barangay Ginebra, the supposedly "weakest team" among the three SMC teams have a great coach in Jong Uichico.
All coaches were probably put in place to balance the competition in the PBA with the other non-SMC teams.
Whether that was done in purpose or not, we definitely have no idea. LOL
The same is true with Purefoods. It has also underachieved despite of its talented line-up due to its coach - RG.
While Barangay Ginebra, the supposedly "weakest team" among the three SMC teams have a great coach in Jong Uichico.
All coaches were probably put in place to balance the competition in the PBA with the other non-SMC teams.
Whether that was done in purpose or not, we definitely have no idea. LOL
I consider Uichico a good coach but definitely not great ....... note that this guy never handled a team with inferior talent.
Anyone who had a prime Danny Siegle will always compete for the championship.
Uichico was cared-for by Danding since he was in College for chrissakes ...... then Northern Cement then to the pros, then finally into coaching.
When Uichico was La Salle coach, Danding even had Ron Jacobs behind the bench for good measure.
Check out the last play of the UAAP '98 finals between FEU & La Salle ..... Ron Jacobs was practically calling out the plays during the last quarter.
Anyone who had a prime Danny Siegle will always compete for the championship.
Uichico was cared-for by Danding since he was in College for chrissakes ...... then Northern Cement then to the pros, then finally into coaching.
When Uichico was La Salle coach, Danding even had Ron Jacobs behind the bench for good measure.
Check out the last play of the UAAP '98 finals between FEU & La Salle ..... Ron Jacobs was practically calling out the plays during the last quarter.
I almost forgot ........ a prime Ildefonso, a prime Racela, a prime Pena, a prime Belasco, a prime Abuda, etc.
Also, I don't think you can involve coke in these 3-way deals. Plain wrong, IMO.
You need to get your facts straight, sir! The Coke team has never used itself as a conduit for sister team trades since being sold by the SMC.
SMC traded Coke's start players before they sold the right to manufacture Coke.
After being sold by SMC, Coke has never participated in this sister team trades.
You need to get your facts straight, sir! The Coke team has never used itself as a conduit for sister team trades since being sold by the SMC.
SMC traded Coke's start players before they sold the right to manufacture Coke.
After being sold by SMC, Coke has never participated in this sister team trades.





