Jones Cup day 6: Korean shooters make it rain in the clutch, down Powerade Team Pilipinas
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I wish I were as cool-headed as you. Of course, I'm in NY at the moment, so a lot of these games are being played in the wee hours of my morning and I don't even know where to catch the streaming video (actually, I'd love it if you E-mailed me a link). So I haven't seen the team's actual progress, which might temper my alarm after reading the recaps of these losses. It's true that these games don't have any bearing on the upcoming qualifier, but winning tends to breed more winning. If you look at other teams that have placed well in Asian tournaments in the past 15 years, they are the teams that did well in the Jones Cup. The Centennial Team won the tournament and then took the Bronze in the 1998 Asian Games. This year, the team is going to need to create all their momentum in the actual tournament, because it doesn't look like they'll have much built up from the Jones Cup. I believe and hope that they can do it. Japan and Korea are a good draw for the group phase. At least better than Jordan and Iran. I'm still hopeful, but I can't say I haven't lost a lot of confidence in this team in the last week.
Hey Rafe,
Usually I would agree with you, and of course, I'd much prefer if we were winning all these games. I also agree that winning does breed winning, but I would imagine that applies to fully-formed teams, that have been playing together for a while.
This team isn't nearly fully formed yet -- imagine, this stretch has been their longest practice time together -- so this literally is training camp for them.
I was also a big believer in momentum heading into the tournament; both the Centennial Team and the 2002 Busan Team really had a lot of momentum before going off into battle. But the 2007 experience has tempered that somewhat. Remember, we had a pretty good showing at the Jones Cup, and then we had that mini-tournament here in Manila where we beat Lebanon playing shorthanded. But we ended up laying an egg in Tokushima.
Like you, I'm hoping for the best. And as disheartening as the results are of these past few games, I believe we could find a context to fuel our hope for the Fiba-Asia tournament.
Usually I would agree with you, and of course, I'd much prefer if we were winning all these games. I also agree that winning does breed winning, but I would imagine that applies to fully-formed teams, that have been playing together for a while.
This team isn't nearly fully formed yet -- imagine, this stretch has been their longest practice time together -- so this literally is training camp for them.
I was also a big believer in momentum heading into the tournament; both the Centennial Team and the 2002 Busan Team really had a lot of momentum before going off into battle. But the 2007 experience has tempered that somewhat. Remember, we had a pretty good showing at the Jones Cup, and then we had that mini-tournament here in Manila where we beat Lebanon playing shorthanded. But we ended up laying an egg in Tokushima.
Like you, I'm hoping for the best. And as disheartening as the results are of these past few games, I believe we could find a context to fuel our hope for the Fiba-Asia tournament.
Dude, you need to tell this to all the "self-proclaimed basketball pundits" out there in PEx. Ive been catching all the RP team games on live streaming even if I have to wake-up *really early* (these are my wake-up schedule since Saturday: 5am, 7am, 3am!, 3am, 7am, 5am) and I definitely agree that game-by-game, we're improving. And this game against Korea is our best game so far (although we lost). Better ball movement, relatively better outside shooting, and fewer turnovers (no more stupid traveling calls!) compared to our first few games. We're getting there, but not quite there yet. I expect this team to peak on the last game of the preliminaries or the first game of qualifiers -- then again, maybe I'm just convincing myself this will happen, heheh.
Thank you for backing me up Coch! We are improving... we've even adjusted to the travelling calls! If you look closely, everyone now makes it a point to put the ball on the floor before driving, and it comes quite naturally.
I was really encouraged by their execution in today's game, especially early in the second and late in the third. I am hopeful with a couple of weeks more of practice, we'll be able to do that consistently all game.
I was really encouraged by their execution in today's game, especially early in the second and late in the third. I am hopeful with a couple of weeks more of practice, we'll be able to do that consistently all game.
A bit off-topic, but I would love to hear thoughts about this...
What irks me so much is this: Yeng Guiao preventing Japeth Aguilar from joining Smart Gilas. What?! The kid's good to play for Powerade but not for Smart Gilas? He would rather have the kid play under him but not under anyone else? I think we need the kid in the national team.
I hope for the best for the Powerade team, but the longer term solution for our international slump in basketball is the formation of Smart Gilas. I hope Smart Gilas does well, but I'm not really how the formation of a national team pool having conflicts of interest with the PBA. I think SBP should do something about that.
What irks me so much is this: Yeng Guiao preventing Japeth Aguilar from joining Smart Gilas. What?! The kid's good to play for Powerade but not for Smart Gilas? He would rather have the kid play under him but not under anyone else? I think we need the kid in the national team.
I hope for the best for the Powerade team, but the longer term solution for our international slump in basketball is the formation of Smart Gilas. I hope Smart Gilas does well, but I'm not really how the formation of a national team pool having conflicts of interest with the PBA. I think SBP should do something about that.
I agree. Like the many of the maddening things that happen in our crazy ass country, good intentions are followed up by crappy efforts or implementation. Smart-Gilas' place is not to compete with the PBA or the other leagues for the best players services, it's to share their time. So for part of the year have a training camp so our guys learn the intricacies of FIBA style and the rest of the time play for the PBA, UAAP etc. Sending Chris Tiu, Jayvee Casio and co on basically an extended study abroad program won't help us get back to the Worlds or Olympics because getting their asses kicked continually by European 3rd division club teams is a case of diminishing returns. The trips and training overseas must be coupled with continued local game action and development. Look what happened when USA basketball came to their senses. The program Colangelo and Coach K set up doesn't compete with the players NBA schedules and now every young NBA hotshot wants an invite to the select team camps and practices. All that aside, what's our best 5 for Tianjin? I'm thinking Miller, Norwood, Yap, Arwind and Japeth.
For me, it's Helterbrand, Yap, Norwood, Raymundo, and Aguilar. Miller and Santos are too erratic.
Hi Israel,
I'm not sure it's fair to blame Yeng Guiao for Japeth deciding to play in the PBA instead of for Smart Gilas. At the end of the day, it was still Japeth's decision.
Look, I support the Smart Gilas team, but as Fed Up Pinoy noted in his reply to your post, I don't think they're good enough. Personally, I'd like to see the PBA take up the cudgels for the national team program, simply because apart from Japeth, the league's where the best players are. The only way that would happen is if Powerade Team Pilipinas wins.
I'm not sure it's fair to blame Yeng Guiao for Japeth deciding to play in the PBA instead of for Smart Gilas. At the end of the day, it was still Japeth's decision.
Look, I support the Smart Gilas team, but as Fed Up Pinoy noted in his reply to your post, I don't think they're good enough. Personally, I'd like to see the PBA take up the cudgels for the national team program, simply because apart from Japeth, the league's where the best players are. The only way that would happen is if Powerade Team Pilipinas wins.
I think PBA teams should hire more foreign coaches with the likeness of Toroman so that we could inject international type of bball systems right here. I'm really looking forward to Smart Gilas in the Phil Cup. Hope they beat Yeng Guiao's BK to dust. That'll teach him a lesson.
The team should be focus in their perimeter set plays and the 3pt territory...and be consistent in their freethrows.


